Its interesting that we all have differing meanings for the same simple words we use. I think I understand what some of you are saying but have to disagree with a lot because of the definitions and connotations that have sent peoples mind off on tangents.
Gazelle,
I had to re-read but I think I understand what you are saying. I dont know anything about 'the way' but I would imagine it is not a personal quest to better oneself, but more a way of finding harmony with the universe, humbling oneself and knowing your place - which is probably everywhere so not neccessarily a bad thing! So it might be a way of losing 'yourself' rather than finding if you know what I mean.
Des,
You seem to be straying from your usual stance - maybe its just the way I read it?
The baker who does not recieve spiritual insight from his art is not the 'master baker' at all IMHO. Maybe you've underestimated the fanaticism of the master baker. Death and life is the highest art of the soldier but gastronomy can be life and death too. Maybe we elevate the warrior because we value life over other necessities but food gives life as well as joy.
"...discipline, respectfulness, compassion, honesty or any other trait that "the way" may develop."
The master baker will have these traits IMO. We can say it is impossible for an everyday baker to recieve these gifts but how many everyday soldiers have the spiritual gifts themselves? The ideal we have in our heads is only us giving value to the idea of a 'martial way'. IMHO it is not special and it shouldnt be worth more than another study.
NBotary,
Anyone can be a soldier at any time but that is different to following the soldiers way (maybe). Although understandable, when you talk about the 911 victims it smacks of propaganda. They didnt give their lives, their lives were taken so they are murder victims IMHO. I can see how calling them soldiers might honour them though. I agree with your mentioning of parallels though. The way is an intrinsicly, intertwined phenomenon IMHO.
I dont know really. I dont read, I just talk to people who've done the reading for me!
I think I need to pay Sifu a visit!
peace