[zefff]

Good stuff Hengest.

"Uh yent fuh wait 'tell 'e knock me fus'. Uh gwine knock'um befo' 'e hice 'e han'! Uh knock'um een 'e yeye, uh kick'um on 'e shin, alltwo one time!"

This is so cool its going in my sig. Are there any refs to actual technique anywhere else you may know of?

[voodue]

Hengest:

I actually have emailed a woman writing her thesis paper on the subject. She gave me a lead but I never took the time to track it down. I think I will make it my New Years Resolution to find more info. I have read that article on the web and some others.

There is a quick mention of Knockin n Kickin in the beginning of "Ring of Liberation" by Lewis. He also mentions Ladja and other similar arts in Venezuela, Cuba and Argentina. It only makes sense because these places import African slaves too!

[Hengest]

Originally Posted by zefff

Are there any refs to actual technique anywhere else you may know of?

Not that I've found unfortunately. Always looking though!

voodue, if you do turn anything up, let me know. I'd love to hear about it.

[zefff]

well what interested me was,

"Uh gwine knock'um befo' 'e hice 'e han'!" - (Im going to knock him before he hoists up his hands.)

and

"Uh knock'um een 'e yeye, uh kick'um on 'e shin, alltwo one time!" (I will knock him in his eye and kick him in his shins, both at once.)

This is interesting to me because it seems the preemtive strike has worked for centuries and I would like to know exactly what is meant in the second sentence. Does he mean punch and kick simultaneously in this type of manner:



or does he mean, to kick away at both shins with one strike kinda like this:



or does he mean to punch and then kick in combination? either way I am intrigued by the kicks and how they might have been deployed. what type of kick might it have been?

[Bimba Jaba]

Originally Posted by zefff

well what interested me was,

"Uh gwine knock'um befo' 'e hice 'e han'!" - (Im going to knock him before he hoists up his hands.)

and

"Uh knock'um een 'e yeye, uh kick'um on 'e shin, alltwo one time!" (I will knock him in his eye and kick him in his shins, both at once.)

This is interesting to me because it seems the preemtive strike has worked for centuries and I would like to know exactly what is meant in the second sentence. Does he mean punch and kick simultaneously in this type of manner:



or does he mean, to kick away at both shins with one strike kinda like this:



or does he mean to punch and then kick in combination? either way I am intrigued by the kicks and how they might have been deployed. what type of kick might it have been?

Good written Gullah there Zefff. All this stuff about 52 has become interesting. I remember back in the 70's when we as youngsters did some of the same things. We did low kicks, dirty wrestling, slapboxed, body boxed and a whole lot of trips and throws. When Newsome speaks of this system I tend to believe because my friend talks of throwin' 'bows to keep the niggas off while in prison. I am from Philly and alot of the influence for our street fighting came from returning service members. Not only that, the use of sticks and some useful techniques helped much. We also learned from boxers, wrestlers, and traditional martial artist who liked to show off there new moves. With that said, I do believe to some degree what Newsome has to say. In New York it may be JHR or 52 Hand Blocks. In Philly we called it Puggin'. or as Bernard Hopkins calls it...Bum Rush.

[zefff]

Hello Bimba Jaba,

I dunno what Gullah is but I can understand the slang cos it is similar to Jamaican patois.

What is throwin bows? What is this about the servicemen?

It seems to me that their is a strong case for 52 as a system existing only within individual minds. Not to say it is an imaginary art but to say it seems to be a compilation of techniques that only becomes a system if the individual practioners mind can harness it. Maybe Mr Newsome has done this but what is all that about only teaching black people?

[Hengest]

Originally Posted by Bimba Jaba

In New York it may be JHR or 52 Hand Blocks. In Philly we called it Puggin'. or as Bernard Hopkins calls it...Bum Rush.

This is fascinating stuff. Bimba Jaba, do you know if Puggin' was a term only used in Philly, or have you heard of it used elsewhere?

[Bimba Jaba]

Gullah is an Afro-American creole english that is still spoken by some on the coast of SC and GA. This was known to be spoken from J-Ville, NC to J-Ville, FL and approximately 100mi inland. In the beginning this language had a heavy concentation of African words. There were variations from North to South depending on region. I have been trying to study this for some time.

Throwin' 'bows is the use of elbows. Any place along the opponents body is a target. When you throw 'bows, it is like a well oiled machine. Emphasis is on being fluid. The object is to work your way inside then unleash a barrage of 'bows, knees, low kicks, and finish with a hip toss or some other throw. If you have ever seen Bruce Lee's ETG then you can work your way inside. First, comes parrying, blocks, slips and ducks. Once inside you can work your magic depending on the enviroment.

Usually as kids we had the oppurtunity to have a serviceman show us some military "hand-to-hand" techniques. Though limited, it supplied us with some knowledge as how to apply some strangle holds.

I have no idea if "puggin" was ever used outside of Philly. We would call a "fair one". This meant no dirty tricks. Just staight up punches and maybe a throw or stomp here and there. Has anyone ever heard of Tom Molineaux. He was a plantation fighter that was sent to England to fight.