[bamboo]

Do you know a way to safely handcuff someone from Shinhonage? My sensei's sensei always had a reward to anyone who can figure a way to do it.

Its fairly simple. There are two ways to execute the technique, one as "open" (uke must breakfall)where the throw could result in a dislocated elbow and the other is "closed" (uke does a safe backroll) where the throw is made more to the back, thus protecting uke.

Take the "open" version of the technique, forget the throwing aspect and turn it into a control keeping uke off balance. Its is uke's own resistance to falling that makes this a usefull control.

Bamboo I am an aikidoka (shodan) testing at the beginning of the year 2006 for Nidan, and I must say you are on the ball. great job

Thank you very much. You are too kind.

[mitchellje]

Mumblyj00:

The kanji for ai means meeting or something like that. The dictonary conjugation would be au which means to meet. It can be used in the sense of something less tangible like aiki (meeting with ki) or more tangible like meeting with your friend (tomodachi o au).

[Tea_Leaf]

Originally Posted by bamboo

Its fairly simple. There are two ways to execute the technique, one as "open" (uke must breakfall)where the throw could result in a dislocated elbow and the other is "closed" (uke does a safe backroll) where the throw is made more to the back, thus protecting uke.

Take the "open" version of the technique, forget the throwing aspect and turn it into a control keeping uke off balance. Its is uke's own resistance to falling that makes this a usefull control.

What are you jibber jabbering about Fool. You need to control the outside arm so you can finish with the cuffs.

My best working suggestion for this is start shiho-nage from ryote-dori. As you move through the throw do not try to grab Uke or reverse the grip on your wrists in anyway. You are going to rely completely on Uke to maintain contact with you. This style movement relies heavily on timing and the threat of you striking out if Uke releases your wrists at any time. Do a full shomen cut (with open hands) behind Uke and project into the ground dropping to your knees. If you try this with a training partner go slow to give them a chance to sit back into the pin. You should finish in good sieza (back straight, no leaning) with hand projecting into the ground behind Uke?s head. Uke?s inside (closest) arm should be bent back in shiho-nage position and the ouside (far) arm should be wrapped over their own neck so both of Uke?s hands are pinned to one side of Uke?s head.

So he?s still has you and you have him?now what? Now you need to grab one of Uke?s wrists and then free your other hand. The outside hand is probably the easiest to try this with since it should be stacked on top of the inside hand. Narrow the wrist you want to free and push it through the space between Uke?s thumb and forefinger. If you are worried about Uke letting go of their grip with their outside hand you have an inside knee you can bring up and apply pressure with to the back of Uke?s arm. It?s not very Ai-Ki, but then neither are handcuffs. Once you have your hand free you could try applying the cuffs. If this is not workable or you can only get one wrist, I would suggest controlling the outside arm and rolling Uke onto their stomach and moving into Ikyo pin. You may no longer be in shiho-nage but at least you can get both of Uke?s arms behind his back.


You could also try finishing this movement with a wrestling choke since you have an arm wrapped around Uke?s neck, but you need to find someone qualified in wrestling for further discussion about that idea.


I should point out that while this style of Shiho-nage is not commonly depicted in books it is completely legitimate. This is essentially a derivative of how you would do shiho-nage if someone grabbed both your wrists while you where holding a sword/boken and had to clear them off fast.

[zefff]

WAR AIKIDOKA!!!!!

*zefff grabs his jalepeno nachos and guacamole dip and gets comfy in his chair*

[bamboo]

Tealeaf-

Unlike you, I see no point in writing out long technical explanations to people that do not practice. If they do, then they'll take the suggestions and try till they discover it for themselves.

My post is in no way contradictive to yours, but then you some how where able to go back in time and read whatever I must have had in my head that day.

Now to business, what you described is heavily dependant on uke, and your assuming that if uke lets go you will be able to strike, hmmmm, is this the option the police officer wants? Have you tested this with a resisting non aikido partner? I have.

I see no point on dropping to the knees, if you do a proper ura movement you will effectively have placed uke in such a position where an easy transition to sankyo can be obtained, sankyo of course being used as one the most traditional police control techniques out there. Heck, if your assuming as you mentioned that its a two handed grab then the ura movement from shihonage can just as easily turn into a very nice udekimeosae which in turn can be easily transitioned into the before mentioned sankyo control.

Notice I mentioned a control in the original post and not a throw? Thats for the simple reason that if you do you go down to the ground you now risk having to grapple. As well, sometimes turning a throw into a control gives you a better position to do what was originally intended, which was in this case to cuff someone.

My shihonage works quite nicely thank you and turned into nice osae waza when practiced with that intent.

Perhaps you can make what you described work for you, but don't tell me what i do is rubbish until you've actually practiced or expereineced it.

-bamboo

[Tea_Leaf]

My apologies, I didn?t mean to say that your answer was in any way wrong, just that it ignored the specifics of soktjoky89?s question. For example, there was no mentioned of police, just handcuffs and shiho-nage. Perhaps soktjoky89 has a non-police application for handcuffs in mind. I make no assumptions. Either way, when you didn?t have anything more insightful to suggest than finishing with a pin instead of a throw, I thought it might make the effort to offer up a more specific idea for consideration. And that's all it is...an idea.

[bamboo]

Honestly, i enjoyed your post, i guess it was when you called "rubbish" that I got my back up.

Welcome to FA .

-bamboo

[Tea_Leaf]

Originally Posted by bamboo

Honestly, i enjoyed your post, i guess it was when you called "rubbish" that I got my back up.

Welcome to FA .

-bamboo

I didn't use the word "rubbish".

Them's fighting words.