[Hengest]

I knew jlambvo would come up with the goods.

That's all great stuff, I wasn't aware of long-sword grappling in ninpo syllabuses although, thinking about it, I'm not really surprised. It does make sense after all.

A lot of koryu jujutsu involves techniques while wearing a long sword that utilizes the saya or partially draws the sword, as you mention jlambvo, but I think what sets the Takenouchi and Enshin ryu apart is that they grapple with the sword fully drawn, much as you describe for Kukishinden ryu.

Hammster, great sig. Where the hell did you get that from!?

[Wilhelm von Wankenstein]

Nice one, jlambvo! Love this discussion, btw - now that I'm actually formally training in koryu bujutsu, it sort of gets me fired up on what's in store for me later on

Like the siggie, Hengest? I came up with it after reading and watching too much Naruto (HIGHLY recommended for all ninja and ninja-in-training out there! ) and being reminded one dark night that Ashida Kim existed while watching porno

[lakan_sampu]

Hey Hammerhead...


r u watching that Naruto anime? can anyone tell me what "bunshin" means? Thanks!

Genjutsu, somewhat a myth to me now...

[Wilhelm von Wankenstein]

"Bunshin" is two words and literally means "body-split", that is creating multiple selves, either illusionary or real, depending on what jutsu you use - I'm still pestering my sensei to teach me the kuji in for Kage Bunshin no Jutsu

[Wilhelm von Wankenstein]

By the way, speaking of budo taijutsu, I remember seeing videoclips of highly acrobatic ninpo taijutsu as practiced in my shibu and my sensei mentioning that ninpo taijutsu is in general a very acrobatic method of fighting, since one theoretically should be trained to fight from any position at any moment in time. Does anyone know which of the ryuha this influence comes from? So far, the budo/koryu taijutsu I've seen isn't especially acrobatic - I have yet to see or do a single kuten-waza in training, and thank heavens for that, because a bloke my size breaking a fall like that badly is major bad news

[jlambvo]

In the Togakure ryu it is said that if you can kick, strike, catch joint locks, and cut or thrust with a weapon when performing ukemi, you have mastered ukemi. Reading over some materials I have, it notes that in the Togakure ryu ukemi is less breakfalling as it is combat technique, redirecting the opponent's force into a counter in unusual ways.

Kukishinden ryu, Koto ryu, and Togakure ryu, all call for practicing forward and backward handsprings, flying rolls, flips, cartwheels, and long-distance leaping in eight directions. Togakure ryu also begins with shoten-no-jutsu, vertical running, where you begin running up a board at 45 degrees and slowly increasing its angle (we are getting a device for this in this summer, wee!).

I haven't seen kata that specifically call for the use of such acrobatics, except Togakure ryu using rolls for escapes. It would be unusual for other schools to use them in combat, perhaps it is more about becoming comfortable with your body in many different positions and moving in different ways. If nothing else it helps recieving and to develop an understanding of your body mechanics.

[setsu nin to]

Ok, here it go. I decide to start with list of ryuhas that I promise long time ago. There is realy large number of diferent ryuhas that I have on list. I listed them A-Z, but I do it myself, I checked it few times and every time i finde some new mestakes so probabli there are still some wrong sorted ryuhas on he list. Also I put ryuhas in four lists. Koryu, Gendai, Karate and Ninjutsu. I take out Ninjutsu ryuhas from Koryu - Gendai list to make shorter lists, but I keep few Ninjutsu ryuhas in bouth Koryu and Ninjutsu lists (just some basic as Koga-ryu and Iga-ryu). Also becouse there are so many ryuhas and becouse I didnt whant to make just list with just names of ryuhas I put sentenc or two of some moust basic infos of every ryuha. End for the end these log list that I make is actualy just just one part of more than 3000 diferent ryuhas.
So lets start....

[setsu nin to]

Abe-ryu is oldest traditional Kendo school finded in 18th century. It was developed from traditional Kenjutsu school. Also there was Abe-ryu as Ninjutsu art, which was developed from Iga-ryu.

Abe Tate-ryu was used as name for Abe-ryu Kendo, there was Tate-ryu name used too.

Aio-ryu is Jujutsu/Kenjutsu school founded in 17th century. Also school is known becouse of techniques of the lance.

Aisu Kage-ryu or Asiu Kage-no-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded in 15th/16th century by Aisu Tarozaemon Hisatada who later change name to Aisu Ikosai Hisatada. Its belived that Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu influenced on creating Aisu Kage-ryu. Later Ikosais student Kamiizumi Ise-no-kami Hidetsuna developed Shinkage Ryu.

Anazawa-ryu is Naginatajutsu style founded in 17th century.

[setsu nin to]

Here is todays five ryuhas...

Araki-ryu was found in 17th century by Araki Mujinsai Minamoto no Hidenawa. Practicing Araki-ryu Kogusoku you learn to use kusarigamajutsu, torite kogusoku, chigirikijutsu, tojutsu, bojutsu, naginatajutsu and ryofundojutsu. Some of arts that Ariki Hidetsuna learned was Yagyu Shinkage-ryu and Muso Jikiden-ryu so we may finde influence of these arts. Later few arts were developed from Araki-ryu, like Araki Kempi-ryu.

Arima Shinto-ryu was Kenjutsu school founded by Arima Motonobu. Arima Shinto-ryu was developed from fameous sword style Shinto-ryu. Arima Shinto-ryu is diferent martial art than Ninjutsu style Arima-ryu which was developed in Iga region. Also there are some theory that founder of Arima Shinto-ryu was Tsukahara Bokuden, but there is no evidence for that.

Asayama Ichiden-ryu is Taijutsu school, founded by Asayama Ichidensai Shigetatsu in 16th century. Asayama Ichiden-ryu is asociated with warrior families known as Jizamurai. Also school teach Taijutsu, Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu, Bojutsu and Kamajutsu.

Bokuden-ryu is Jujutsu style found in 16th century by Tsukahara Bokuden. Tsukahara Bokuden was fameous swordman (even instructor of Shogun Yoshiteru Ashikaga), so Bokuden-ryu have exelent Kenjutsu techniques too. Tsukahara Bokuden learned Katori Shinto-ryu so it influenced on Bokuden-ryu.

Toda-ha Buko-ryu Naginatajutsu was developed from Toda-ryu. In Toda-ha Buko-ryu are teached many weapons like Naginata, Tachi, Yari and Kusarigama, but moust known Toda-ha Buko-ryu weapon is Kagitsuki Naginata (glaive mounted with a crossbar at the juncture of haft and blade) which make these school special.

[setsu nin to]

Chujo-ryu was found in 15th century by Chujo Nagahide. Chujo-ryu is Kenjutsu style. Many fameous Kenjutsu styles were developed from Chujo-ryu, some of them are Itto-ryu, Toda-ryu, Muto-ryu, Hasegawa-ryu, Tomita-ryu...

Daito-ryu is moust known Aikijujutsu style founded by Shinra Saburo Minamoto Yoshimitsu in 11th century. Daito-ryu was teached in seacret till the end of Edo period. In Meiji period Sokaku Takeda open it to public, but only to high class society in Japan.

Eishin-ryu was founded by Hasegawa Chikaranosuke Eishin.

Fukono-ryu is Jujutsu/Kenjutsu style, founded by Fukono Shichiroemon in 17th century. Style was developed from Kito-ryu.

Gan-ryu was founded in begining of 17th century by Sasaki Kojiro. School is known by using very long sword known as Nodachi.