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03-30-2004, 04:10 PM
| Hm.. Yeah, I know that he wished he hadn't named it. And my opinion is that JKD is a style, but that Bruce Lee was without a style. He is not JKD. JKD was something he created before he stopped believe in styles.
"we train without form by using whatever we feel works best,not just what someone tells us to use."
But isn't that a circle argument? Hor can you really feel what works best before you have trained it first? Don't you have to be instructed something first, before you can understand if it's worth to train on or not?
And Bruce himself tought certain techniques on certain ways and had some very exact rules about things, for example that you should have your strongest side first, never do anything more comlicated than nessecary and such. And that's the way he thought Ted Wong, for example, all the time to his death. | | | | Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 99
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04-10-2004, 07:07 PM
| i think the great thing about jkd, is that it is whatever expresses you best. thats y this argument could go on forever. and honestly, i dont believe a "style" needs to be restricting. you learn those techniques, but y couldnt you incorporate other techniques into your fighting? thats wuts great about jkd, is that i could use my base in tma as a foundation, and still be a proficient practitioner in jkd. techniques from both styles can be very similar. id say jkd is a philosophy, style, and a form of self expression. | | | | Senior Member Black Belt Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1,177
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04-10-2004, 08:09 PM
| What Jeet Kune Do is:
A name. Just words, with only the meaning you chose to attach to it. | | | | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 221
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04-11-2004, 12:09 PM
| if you think JKD is a style.....then you really arent getting it........a person is has a style.......JKD=concept/way of thinking/new way to look at learning
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04-11-2004, 02:22 PM
| Jeet Kune Do is a Concept. When you study the so called Jeet Kune Do style you are doing the opposite, learning whatever Bruce used, whatever fit him.
Instead of using what you want.
Bruce had a strong foundation in wingchun so he could evolve much better and understand what he needs. What people teach is what Bruce found to be his favourite techniques , he never invented techniques.
sure he changed some approaches and angles but thats what every martial artist does, many boxers have different stances, they almost never have the same stance or hand positioning. even within my style of Vietnamese Wing-Chun each teacher's version varies in many different aspects, according to the teacher's preference and understanding of his teacher's words.
Saying Bruce invented a style is an insult, like those thousands of other farts claiming to have invented a new style while they are just using techniques from opposite styles.
I cant imagine him sitting and thinking up a new style, Bruce was far too smart and experienced to do anything as stupid as that.
Jeet Kune Do means "Way of the Intercepting Fist" , Bruce's approach was to intercept an attack while attacking. It is Bruce's solution to combat, but the free-minded concept that is represented by the name JKD doesnt have have to do anything with the "Way of the intercepting fist". Like said in the Tao, the book is only a guide, not a "know kung fu in 10 easy steps" the Tao is an example of one man's expression of Jeet Kune Do. | | | | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 929
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04-11-2004, 02:38 PM
| What happend to Bruce reminds me what happend to another Artist.
He was upset why certain pieces of art get all the fame and are considerd masterpieces while everything man creates can be art, anything simple.
So he tool a small chair and stuck a bicycle wheel in it to show that anything as stupid or as unimportant can be art. now this piece of art is very famous and considerd a masterpiece to be worshiped...
What he actually caused what he didnt want to happen. | | | | Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 86
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04-11-2004, 06:35 PM
| JKd is in its simplest form a name. thats it. nothing more. nothing less. | | | | Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 99
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04-12-2004, 05:01 AM
| i think to say jeet kune do is simply a name is true. but to say that calling jkd a style, you are doing the opposite of wut bruce side, i dunno, i dunt really see it. i think jkd incorporates jun fan (which i guess is more accurately the style). but as a result, u incorporate it into the jun fan aspect. for example, i have strong base in vietnamese martial arts, but wut i learn from jkd, i also incorporate into my techniqes. im not limiting myself in any way am i? not at all. im simply broadening wut is available to me. i think i see wut u guys are trying to say with jkd being a concept, but like i said, its a style and philospohy too. | | | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 9
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04-30-2004, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Katsu Jin Ken if you think JKD is a style.....then you really arent getting it........a person is has a style.......JKD=concept/way of thinking/new way to look at learning | But howcome that Bruce created special JKD-techniques then? And the JKD-stance? And the JKD-training methods?
When he was teaching Ted Wong and Kareem and Taky, he tought them the "JKD-techniques". And he also said that those techniques were "JKD-techniques". So what his closest students (except for Inosanto) says and what his own writing says is different from what most people here says about JKD. How come? | | | | Senior Member Brown Belt Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 897
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05-01-2004, 04:46 AM
| jkd does not have its own techniques. it has wing chun,boxing,european fencing,judo/ju jitsu in it.that's what jkd has,not it's own special original things. the stance is a basic fighting stance,i've seen non trained fighters even use a stance very similar to jkd's. and the training methods,are from boxing/kickboxing and wing chun.bruce never claimed he was teaching something that only he knew of. | | | |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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