[Tease T Tickle]

I don't want to ruin your conception of history or cultural exchange vectors or whatever is going on, but it's pretty firmly established that Japanese Buddhism sprung predominantly from China. The major sects of Japanese Buddhism - Zen, Pure Land, Shingon and Nichiren- were taken from Chinese Ch'an, Chinese Tiantei, Tibetan Vajrayana schools, and a uniquely Japanese revision of the belief, respectively. The founders of these schools were documented as having made pilgrimages to or being expatriots from China and Tibet. Nowhere did Korea enter the picture, unless maybe boating to the Korean peninsula was easier for the monks than boating to China, but such an occurrance is rather miniscule.

As for the martial arts, the most well known Korean style, Tae Kwon Do, doesn't even hide the fact that they were influenced by everything from northern Chinese styles to Shotokan Karate. Hapkido's alleged pedigree terminates in Daito ryu Aikijujutsu and actually includes a vast amount of Judo throws and Aiki principles - both unique to Japan. The less known styles like Hwarangdo, Kuksulwon, Tangsudo, etc. variously attribute their creation to Chinese or Japanese influence. For example, Tangsudo MEANS "Tang influenced art" referring to Tang dynasty China. Furthermore, more than any other nation's body of martial arts, Korean arts have deeply suspect origin stories. Hwarangdo's founder claimed to have been taught by a hermit deep in the mountains. Hapkido's founder claimed to be the Daito-ryu Soke's houseboy, but nobody can verify this and only the Hapkido people bother to try to convince anyone to it's truth.

Essentially, Korea keeps telling everybody else that they got some stuff from abroad, other stuff from their own rich heritage, but can't offer a whole lot of substance to make anyone believe these stories. Kind of like when my Chinese friends tell me that Marco Polo stole the idea of pasta from them because they've had noodles for however long, when we can find recipes for Ravioli and other pastas as far back as ancient Rome. Historical legends, when not looked at hard, seem like historical truths and most people just don't look hard enough. Start looking and stop being angry when people disagree with what you've been told.

[Kyorgi]

Originally Posted by Tease T Tickle

I don't want to ruin your conception of history or cultural exchange vectors or whatever is going on, but it's pretty firmly established that Japanese Buddhism sprung predominantly from China. The major sects of Japanese Buddhism - Zen, Pure Land, Shingon and Nichiren- were taken from Chinese Ch'an, Chinese Tiantei, Tibetan Vajrayana schools, and a uniquely Japanese revision of the belief, respectively. The founders of these schools were documented as having made pilgrimages to or being expatriots from China and Tibet. Nowhere did Korea enter the picture, unless maybe boating to the Korean peninsula was easier for the monks than boating to China, but such an occurrance is rather miniscule.

As for the martial arts, the most well known Korean style, Tae Kwon Do, doesn't even hide the fact that they were influenced by everything from northern Chinese styles to Shotokan Karate. Hapkido's alleged pedigree terminates in Daito ryu Aikijujutsu and actually includes a vast amount of Judo throws and Aiki principles - both unique to Japan. The less known styles like Hwarangdo, Kuksulwon, Tangsudo, etc. variously attribute their creation to Chinese or Japanese influence. For example, Tangsudo MEANS "Tang influenced art" referring to Tang dynasty China. Furthermore, more than any other nation's body of martial arts, Korean arts have deeply suspect origin stories. Hwarangdo's founder claimed to have been taught by a hermit deep in the mountains. Hapkido's founder claimed to be the Daito-ryu Soke's houseboy, but nobody can verify this and only the Hapkido people bother to try to convince anyone to it's truth.

Essentially, Korea keeps telling everybody else that they got some stuff from abroad, other stuff from their own rich heritage, but can't offer a whole lot of substance to make anyone believe these stories. Kind of like when my Chinese friends tell me that Marco Polo stole the idea of pasta from them because they've had noodles for however long, when we can find recipes for Ravioli and other pastas as far back as ancient Rome. Historical legends, when not looked at hard, seem like historical truths and most people just don't look hard enough. Start looking and stop being angry when people disagree with what you've been told.

This is the part where someone has to say....OWNED.

Give me a break, im 17...