[Hengest]

Found this rather handy lineage map of Korean styles. It's surprisingly well researched and accurate, the only part I really have an issue with being the claim that modern Hwa Rang Do is a direct descendant of hwarang combat methods. And of course the claim that Chinese and Japanese arts all stem from the hwarang. Who would've thought a bunch of cross-dressing courtiers would have so much to teach about the noble art of rucking!?

http://www.allmartialarts.com/KIXCO/...istory/map.htm

[Wilhelm von Wankenstein]

Careful whom you insult, guv - they might flash their panties at you!

Talk about a bunch of pretentious blowhards, though. As if the development of martial arts were that simple. Next thing we know, we're going to find 'irrefutable historical evidence' that Hwarang warriors (read: skirt-wearing pansies) went to India and taught Bodhidharma everything he knew, since, as everybody knows, Bodhidharma was singlehandedly responsible for the development of martial arts in China

[goongaloonga]

I have been training in hapkido for about 3 years, and the hapkido I think everyone's mentioned is Ji Han Jae hapkido, which is the newer style of hapkido that has a lot of tkd kicks and what not in it. But there is an old school hardcore style, which is Yong Sul Choi hapkido, that's the style I train, and it has almost no kicks, it has a few strikes though, but no formal striking stuff. Hapkido means the way of coordinated power, and has the water principle, the circular motion principle, and the non-resistance principle. I guess the mian difference in styles can be seen in the throws, the new style throws resemble judo throws pretty closely, but the old schhol throws are the ones that if you don't flip over, your arm and wrist are pretty much screwed.

[Hengest]

Originally Posted by goongaloonga

I have been training in hapkido for about 3 years, and the hapkido I think everyone's mentioned is Ji Han Jae hapkido, which is the newer style of hapkido that has a lot of tkd kicks and what not in it. But there is an old school hardcore style, which is Yong Sul Choi hapkido, that's the style I train, and it has almost no kicks, it has a few strikes though, but no formal striking stuff.

I didn't know that was still practised. Still, what you say does fit what I've read about Yong Sul Choi's original teachings. I heard it was basically straight Daito Ryu aikijujutsu. Is that true to your knowledge?

[goongaloonga]

Yeah, Yong Sul Choi was kidnapped and taken to Japan where sokaku takeda, who was the head daito-ryu guy at the time. Yong Sul Choi was hin only student to learn all 3,808 daito-ryu techniques. He got in fights with a lot of judo and jujutsu guys, so he took the techniques he used to beat them with and the other really effective ones and created hapkido. He called it a few other things before hapkido, and I think it was actually Ji Han Jae that came up with the name, and then from ym understanding they went off on their separate ways. www.hapkido-info.net is a great site with info on all of this

[goongaloonga]

Sokaku Takeda took Yong Sul Choi in and took care of him***

[shurite44]

Originally Posted by nEo-Wolf

I hate forms, but what can you do? I have to remember like 10 TKD forms, a new load of WKA kickboxing forms and some for the Han-Kuk Mu-Do... Like you said, it could be interesting to do though...

I am not sure how old you are, but stick with the kata or hyung. When you are older you will enjoy it more.

When I first started TKD I liked sparring much more than kata, well 35 years later I enjoy kata more. I still like to spar but to be honest it is a little hard on me physically. But I now know and practice about 20 kata or hyung and it is a great little workout for a close to 50 year old man. Keeps me flexible and I maintain my strength also.

Kata and hyung can also be advanced in timing over the basic way it is practiced. This can be quite challenging to learn even for an advanced MA'ist.