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05-03-2004, 04:51 AM
| Korean Martial Arts This is here to discuss Korean martial arts and answer any questions anyone may have about them. I thought it would be good to start naming and defining every korean martial art we know of so far.
TaeKwonDo- the way of the hand and foot
Hapkido- ?
Mu Duk Kwan- ?
Tang Soo Do- ?
Kumdo- ?
So Bhak Do- ?
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05-03-2004, 05:29 AM
| I'm no expert on Korean styles, but I'll give it a go. Here's what I know of:
Taekwondo - obviously
Hapkido - modern art mixing TKD with (allegedly) Daito Ryu aikijujutsu
Tang soo do/Soo bahk do - Hwang Kee's school of martial arts, probably based on Goju Ryu or Goju Kai karate although he later added kwonbup techniques from the Muye Dobo Tongji
Kwonbup - old boxing techniques, probably of Chinese origin, illustrated in the Muye Dobo Tongji
Soo bahk (aka subak) - lost art, probably similar to kwonbup, i.e. imported Chinese boxing
T'ang su - see above
Kong soo do - the Korean pronunciation of "karatedo"; originally used as a name for TKD, TSD and other modern striking arts taught in South Korea
Kumdo - Japanese kendo as taught in South Korea
Yudo - Japanese judo as taught in South Korea
Yu sool - Japanese jujutsu ryuha as taught in South Korea
Haedong kumdo - a modern attempt to reconstruct ancient Korean sword fighting, heavily influenced by Japanese kenjutsu and contemporary wushu
Hwarangdo - Joo Bang Lee's eclectic martial art, combining techniques from several Korean and Japanese arts
Kuk Sool Won - In Hyuk Suh's system of martial arts that allegedly combines several traditional Korean styles together to form a relatively complete system
Sulkido - a modern eclectic style that combines TKD and kuk sool won; mainly taught in the UK
Taekkyon - kicking game from the 17th century, mainly using circular kicks and throws and sweeps
Ssireum - ancient wrestling style, still seen on public holidays in South Korea, very similar to Japanese sumo
Kyuk too ki - a modern eclectic form that combines TKD and muay thai techniques
Kun gek do - a modern eclectic form that combines TKD and kickboxing techniques
Tae soo do - probably the name first decided on for TKD, before "taekwondo" was adopted
Kung sul - archery
Pakchigi - probably the oldest Korean style and likely a relative of Chinese chiao-ti, a basic style that mainly consists of butting and shoving
Chosondo - nineteenth century style, originally from North Korea, combines several Chinese and Korean systems
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05-03-2004, 11:33 PM
| As Mr. Hengest said: I'm no expert on Korean styles, but I'll give it a go Choson Kwon Bup
Gicheon Mun
Haidong Gumdo
Hankido
Hankumdo
Han Mu Do
Han Pul
Hapkido
Hoshinsul
Hwarang Do
Kong Shin Bup
Kong Soo Do
Kuk Sool Won
Kumdo
Kun Gek Do
Kung Jung Moo Sool
Kung Sul
Moo Duk Kwan
Ship Pal Ki
SinMoo Hapkido
Soo Bahk Do
Taekwondo
Tae Kyon
Tae Soo Do
Tang Soo Do
Yudo
Yu Sool
Moust of them (Hapkido, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Soo Bahk Do, Kong Soo Do, Kumdo, Yudo, Yu Sool, Hwarang Do, Kuk Sool Won, Tae Kyon, Kun Gek Do, Tae Soo Do and Kung Sul) Hengest already put on the list and I wrote about some of them in some prvious post. Haidong Gumdo
First to say that its diferent art than Kumdo, but its also Korean sword art. We could compare it with Kenjutsu, while Kumdo we can compare with Kendo. Han Mu Do
its modern Korean martial art founded by Dr. He-Young Kimm in 1989. It incloude unurmed combat and weapons such as sword, archery, short stick, also these is Ki traning. Han Pul
Its self defense martial art, with stang up and grappling elemenths, also it incloude weapons such as knife, sword, short stick, long staff, cane... Hoshinsul
Its style of Hapkido. to be honest I didnt noticed any diferent. Kung Jung Moo Sool
I know only that its part of Ki Do Hae Association. Moo Duk Kwan
Its style of Tang Soo Do. I wroted somwhere more about it before. SinMoo Hapkido
Style of Hapkido which is based on Aikido, Judo and Kung Fu. Choson Kwon Bup
Choson Kwon Bup was founded as a Civil Defence Tradition in 19 century in Pyongyang, North Korea by Kim Chong Ji. Its mix of Korean, Japanese, Chinese Okinawa martial arts. Gicheon Mun
Also known as Kichun Mun is martial art based on meditation and the cultivation of inner power. its based on Bagua Zhang and Preying Mantis. Hankido
Its not Hapkido! Defensive martial art based on Ki (something like Aikido). All art is based on Ki, just as every techniques. point is to use anemys energy against him. Hankumdo
Hankumdo is a sword art based on the shapes of the Korean alphabet or Hangul. Hankumdo was very influenced with Hankumdo. Kong Shin Bup
Kong Shin Bup is a Kwan Yu Sool (hard/soft) system that makes full use of the study of Ki (Ki Hak). Also its interesting that healing techniques, acupuncture and acupressure are part of the more advanced study of Kong Shin Bup and it uses 270 Ki points to make its 3000+ self-defense techniques more effective.
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05-04-2004, 05:11 AM
| Some great stuff there setsu. A few I'd never heard of; the Hankido and Hankumdo both sound interesting, and the Gicheon Mun sounds completely mental!
Kung jung mu sul means "royal court martial arts" and is supposedly an old style of combat. It can still be found being taught as a style by itself, but its most commonly taught as part of the kuk sool won syllabus I think.
A couple more for the list
Shippalgi - setsu already mentioned this one but I'll just add a bit; the name means "18 hands" and is usually thought of as a kind of Korean kung fu. It's uses the kwonbup of the Muye Dobo Tongji as a base but has been expanded through adding techniques from various Chinese systems
Cha yon ryu - Kim Soo's eclectic system founded in the 1960s, mainly based on TKD and hapkido, although Shotokan and a few Chinese martial arts are supposed to have added to the body of techniques
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05-04-2004, 10:25 AM
| I was bored so I just went through the Muye Dobo Tongji to see what I could add to the list from there. It doesn't individually name arts so to speak, but it illustrates and explains techniques for a vast range of weapons and related stuff:
Jang chang - long spear
Juk jang chang - long bamboo spear
Kee chang - flag spear
Dang pa - triple tip spear
Ki chang - spear on horseback
Nang sun - multiple tip bamboo spear
Ssang soo do - long sword
Ye do - short sword
Wae gum - Japanese katana
Je dok gum - admiral's sword
Bon kuk gum - Silla kingdom's sword
Ssang gum - twin swords
Masang ssang gum - twin swords on horseback
Wol do - crescent sword
Masang wol do - crescent sword on horseback
Hyup do - spear sword
Dung pae - shield
Kwon bup - boxing
Kon bang - long stick
Pyun kon - flail
Masang pyun kon - flail on horseback
Kyuk koo - ball game on horseback (presumably for improving horsemanship)
Masang jae - horsemanship
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05-04-2004, 11:19 AM
| Hengest
Wow that was nice list of diferent arts. I am interesting is there some art or weapon that is authentic Korean and that "survived" all influences from China and Japan.
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05-04-2004, 06:24 PM
| I was under the impression Hapkido was a Korean version of Aikido? | | | | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2,165
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05-04-2004, 06:32 PM
| re: Korean Martial Arts No. Hapkido has elements of Aikido in it, but it also includes striking taken from TKD, and many of the throws look like they're taken right out of Judo. | | | | Super Moderator Black Belt 5th Dan Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 4,295
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05-04-2004, 06:42 PM
| can someone go into detail about how TKD came about. From what I know they took Karate and focused on the kicking. I would like to know what info you guys have about the origin of the art.
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05-04-2004, 11:09 PM
| Native Korean martial arts emerged during hte 3 kingdoms period (18 BC- AD 66  Specific skills had different names like:
Su Bak -punching and butting
Kang Ju -throwing
Kung Sa- archery
Ki Ma Sa Bop- horse archery
Tan Gom Sul- short knife
Kom Sul Bop- sword skill
Su Yong Bop- fighitng in water
Tae Kyon- Kicking
Now out of all of those guess which one TKD was derived from? Tae Kyon.
Some time during the 1930s or 40s A young man named Choi Hong Hi was taught the acient art of Tae Kyon and Shotokan Karate. Choi would later go on to earn his 2nd degree black belt in shotokan. In 1954 (i think) Choi with the help of Mu Duk Kwan masters (not sure about this part) developed TaeKwonDo using elements from both Tae Kyon and Shotokan. In 1973 WTF TaeKwonDo was developed by the south korean governemnt and eventually it became the olympic sport you see today. | | | |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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