[wuming]

My friend was telling me the other day that his sifu was telling him about another student in their Wing Chun lineage who went to a tournament sponsored by Coca Cola. According to my friend (whom would have no reason at all to lie to me), this guy had only been practicing Wing Chun for eight months and he won the entire tournament. He had no other training than his eight months worth of wing chun training and was beating "black belts" in Karate. My friend said that this guy basically would just side step and chain punch every time. In fact, the referee suggested that he use a different technique; this makes no sense to me, why would you change something if it works? The funniest thing about it all was that while he was warming up before the fights, he was practicing one of his forms and everyone was pointing and laughing at him. Then after the other fighters saw that what he was doing was working, they began immitating him, but to no avail.....

I am not trying to start a flame war. Take from this what you will. I just thought some of you Wing Chun guys or other Chinese arts afficionados might find this interesting.

[zefff]

let me guess....he was in the under 9 years old category.

[Tease T Tickle]

Well, we saw how effective something like a chain punch can be when Vitor beat Wanderlei back in the day.

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Wing Chun sum crazy shit, in a real fight wing chun kicks ass

[Blade]

well he must of been a very dedicated student to beat other blackbelts after 8 months of training...

[8LimbsScientist]

Originally Posted by wuming

In fact, the referee suggested that he use a different technique; this makes no sense to me, why would you change something if it works?

I don't know about this karate tournament (we don't even know what style) but in ITF TKD only the first three punches in a punch combination are scored. If you want to continue scoring with punches you have to mix in a kick. You will also be verbally warned if you are constantly just punching. They do this to keep the fights from dissolving into boxing matches and to preserve the artistic side of the art. IF this story is true that might be why?

Even if it is true it shows that the caliber of the blackbelts wasn't that high in this tournament. This has nothing to do with insulting Wing Chun, but chainpunching is not the supreme ultimate technique that has no defense. You'd think after the third blackbelt got beat with the SAME single technique the rest of them would have tried something new, lol.

[Gong||Jau]

It's possible that they weren't prepared for the possibility that after they lunged in and missed, someone would be in that close to them and strike that rapidly, since I highly doubt that they'd ever encountered a similar technique at their schools. However, that's not to say that Wing Chun is superior to whatever style of karate may be in question, since neither of those styles (IMO) functions optimally in that setting.

[8LimbsScientist]

Gong Jau

I agree for the most part, but what I'm saying is...the competitors had the luxury of watching their fellow black belts get owned with that same exact strategy and technique. The matches don't happen in a private room. So I'm just saying, what kind of blackbelts wouldn't be able to defend against a technique they KNOW is coming?

If it was the karate kid crane kick, then yes, I agree because if do right, no can defense, but if we're talking just chain punching here I doubt that none of them could find an effective counter.

[Gong||Jau]

I'd guess that the best counter would be to stay out of the range of chain punches, since in a point tournament even light taps can earn you points, and it's pretty hard not to get hit at all by that many strikes that fast. It would probably be best to maintain your distance and try to score points with kicks, or force him to attack you. What I see as the problem is that it's hard to stop that type of punch from making contact with you, so even though it might not be able to hurt you at all they'd score points off of you left and right.

[wuming]

First off, this guy was not in the nine year old category. I didn't think to ask the guy's age but my friend did mention he had a beard.

Again, I was not trying to say that Wing Chun is superior or Karate is inferior. I was only providing an observation; I never made any inference at all about the superiority of any art. Like with other types of "evidence" like this, I still stand firm that you can not infer that any art is better.

I don't know about this karate tournament but in ITF TKD only the first three punches in a punch combination are scored. If you want to continue scoring with punches you have to mix in a kick. You will also be verbally warned if you are constantly just punching. They do this to keep the fights from dissolving into boxing matches and to preserve the artistic side of the art. IF this story is true that might be why?

Good point, 8 limbs. My friend never mentioned the rules to me, so I could not answer that question. He did say thought that this guy continued to use the technique, so I am assuming if he was "warned" but still continued to use the technique and still won the tournament, it must not have been illegal.

Even if it is true it shows that the caliber of the blackbelts wasn't that high in this tournament. This has nothing to do with insulting Wing Chun, but chainpunching is not the supreme ultimate technique that has no defense. You'd think after the third blackbelt got beat with the SAME single technique the rest of them would have tried something new, lol.

This is my point exactly. When someone is throwing chain punches my sifu refers to it as throwing dust. If these black belts had any footwork training, they would know a simple pivot or sidestep would avoid the attack easily. My friend said that these opponents had no guard and no defense whatsoever. He said they were like those guys from the XMA show who just threw their legs out into the air and charge. Again all of his other opponents should have picked up on his technique by the end of the tournament and been ready for it. Obviously they were not very good fighters (or not very observant at the least). I guess the real question is what makes a real black belt anymore these days. If someone with eight months of training can defeat numerous black belts in a tournament, something just seems a little odd. It would be like the newest student at your school with no experience in any other martial arts "owning" the senior students. All I am saying is something seems amiss...