[zefff]

Funnily enuff. Wing Chun itself was actually modified by Grand master Yip man with Wong Shen Leung's help after disecting the outcomes of many streetfights and grudge matches.

Also...I myself use a boxing jab quite often!

peace bros!

[confusingDot]

wow, i didn't know that. do you mind if i ask where you got that info from? and i'm also interested in how you modified the jab.

[monkeypalm]

In the Ip Man centenary birth book, it talks of how Ip Man with his technical / physics oriented mind discarded the old theories of five elements and various other arcane chinese mystic stuff which was in mainland wing chun and instead concentrated on more realistic explanations and applications. It would not surprise me to hear that he changed it further as he went along. But I am sure he changed it for the better, just as we must, if we feel we should, and only after long, hard consideration and training.

Not that much though.

PErsonally, I care about whether or not it works, not how well I can emulate my teacher. Funny thing is though, when I am doing it correctly, turns out I am doing it like my sifu!

[Ninja Kl0wn]

confusingDot, one day you will wake up and ask yourself "why am I argueing over what JKD is?" That day, you will realize that it's all just "fighting", and it really doesn't matter what the fuck you call it because the words have no meaning other than what you give them. I could say my martial art is Fuggyfofa Houliongxia Thiba Chuan, and it wouldn't change a damn thing.

[Gong||Jau]

Originally Posted by monkeypalm

PErsonally, I care about whether or not it works, not how well I can emulate my teacher. Funny thing is though, when I am doing it correctly, turns out I am doing it like my sifu!

Exactly. That, and Ip Man was slightly more qualified to modify Wing Chun than most people

[confusingDot]

"confusingDot, one day you will wake up and ask yourself 'why am I argueing over what JKD is?' That day, you will realize that it's all just "fighting", and it really doesn't matter what the fuck you call it because the words have no meaning other than what you give them. I could say my martial art is Fuggyfofa Houliongxia Thiba Chuan, and it wouldn't change a damn thing."

i think that i have already asked myself that question. Yes, i don't really care about the name, but WHAT it is, and how it should be done. as said by me before:
"i would rather say i DO kinesiology+physics (kinematics)+physiology+psychology(a little bit) equaling fighting."
Which i believe are the components of fighting, not just the name (if i'm missing a component i'm sorry, my goal wasn't actually to try and name all of them, but to just to help understand taht i cared about the components rather then the name) (if you notice a missing component, then i wouldn't mind knowing either). To advance and improve in training and technique. whoever said that i cared about the name? i do NOT care about the name. I do NOT care about the founder. when it comes to fighting, I only care what works. i do not know how you came to believe that i cared about the name.

[zefff]

Originally Posted by confusingDot

wow, i didn't know that. do you mind if i ask where you got that info from? and i'm also interested in how you modified the jab.

it is well known. Please excuse my innaccuracy as Im not a scholar or historian type but, Yip man IIRC, was taught by two Sifu, two variants of Wing Chun that were running parrellel but in dispute of one another. So he was the single man who held the knowledge to unite both ideologies. Once he had the knowledge he investigated and researched it all thoroughly and continuously throughout his lifetime. Do a quick search for 'Yip man wing chun family tree' and that should bring up some info for you.

As for my jab. I am not only a Wing Chun Student, I am a Panantukan boxer as well so am influenced by my training. I have a few different types of straight lead punch that I have worked on and developed over time. I deploy any variant at anytime without thought. I have about 4 or 5 vertical fist types, 3 or 4 horizontal types and even a couple where my fist is at a 45 degree angle. I am comfortable with them and can generate good power so I continue to use them. They all have their own benefits and downsides. How did I develop them? Pad and bag work!

[confusingDot]

WOW, dude that is a ton of punches for just a straight lead. do you think you could pm me (or write it here) how it is that each one differs.

[zefff]

that would be a lot of work. maybe I will start another thread about it but Im sure they are nothing new, its just that I analysed and disected my punching very early on in my training and divided up my observations into categories.

Im sure most people have varying ways of delivering the same punches but some probably didnt see a need to waste time and effort categorising them.

I felt the need to work hard on mine with focus pads and mirror work etc cos I wanted a lead punch that could K.O. with.

[dikdirkin]

you guys have summed it up mostly, its just about developing short distance power for quickness of attack