[Bloodybirds]

Thanks Hengest....in a short time I will be freed up to read for enjoyment again!!! I will look into the sites you mentioned.

[Tease T Tickle]

Bloodybirds: I'm not sure we're really in disagreement. I'm just telling you right now that if Dr. blah blah blah tells you he can somehow transmit his bioelectricity, it will not operate in the manners consistent with historical/mythical accounts of Chi use.

Zefff: Accupuncture meridian points are almost always in junction with important neural pathways, so when that needle (or touch in the case of accupressure) stimulates these nerve bundles, the system changes operations. For instance, my own doctor used accupuncture in lieu of anaesthetics furing reconstructive knee surgery. The theory is that the needles shut off key sensory nerves that cut off the transmission of pain signals to the brain.

Tony: If you want to Dragonball Z type stuff, you can't. I'm sorry. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't look into chi for training methods. Hope I've helped.

[Bloodybirds]

Tease, sorta like evolution vs. creationism? Laughing. I believe Dr. Yang's assertions are for internal manifestations and not transferral to others during striking. I will have to re-read to confirm his point. Also, does this mean then that such things as iron palm, iron skirt, etc are really just totally physical and does not possess some amount of chi as it were? Can we say then that chi might really be proper breathing from the tan tien and expressed through the technique? I love it when you make me think....but it hurts!!!!!

[samurai6string]

okay, I'll try to add something constructive here. Even though this is the chineese martial forum, you might want to look into Aikido. just a thought. And also slightly on the subject, what do you guys think of Kiaijutsu? Is there a Chineese equivalent? Oh and I think I've muddied this up so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember something about turning chi into jing <sp?> is that sort of like mechanical force or something?

[Bloodybirds]

I do not know Kiaijitsu....sorry but aikido is very close to a combo of suia chiao and chin na. As far as fa jing, it is using your waist bowing your chest and expressing power out with all connected to the hands either from the foot to the waist to the shoulders to the hands in northern kung fu or from the waist up in southern. Southern white crane and Chen style tai ji along with Hsing i and Ba Qua all have great expressions of jing. Also, jing is very effective as a waist action for locks grabbing in or down. A brief explanation. Read one of Dr. Yang's books on jing or Southern white crane. Hope that helps.

[samurai6string]

I think I mentioned to you before that I have 2 of Dr. Yang's Chin na books, they are great, I will deff. check out one on either jing or white crane.

[Tease T Tickle]

Originally Posted by Bloodybirds

I believe Dr. Yang's assertions are for internal manifestations and not transferral to others during striking. I will have to re-read to confirm his point.

I was referring more to claims of throwing chi balls, using chi to fly, and any other myth of supernatural powers like that. Iron palm, accupuncture, etc. aren't really all that strange, it just doesn't fit into Western conception, hence the resistance to it.

Also, does this mean then that such things as iron palm, iron skirt, etc are really just totally physical and does not possess some amount of chi as it were?

That assumes that chi is not physical.

Can we say then that chi might really be proper breathing from the tan tien and expressed through the technique? I love it when you make me think....but it hurts!!!!!

Breathing from the tan tien is really just there to help calm and clear your mind so you can concentrate on using your energies better. That is, chi breathing is really just an application of meditation and serves no purpose in generating or otherwise manifesting chi. If your mind worked properly (which is kind of misleading, don't worry too much about the word properly), you wouldn't need to breath from the tan tien to use chi.

[Bloodybirds]

Interesting points Tease....let me ponder why I am weak and weary and think about your comments. Especially the last one. Talk soon...good night.

[zed]

if i was sick i would go to a doctor, if i want to learn about KF and chi (it is real no matter what the western world says and i am a westerner, i have seen and felt its effects) i go to a sifu who doesnt close his mind to the facts of the art as it meant to be practiced.....this may sound like an angry rant but to just throw away an art because you dont understand it is beyond me, you are just holding yourself back, or your "sifu" is. you will NEVER learn real MA in a book or dvd/ video.....all you will do is hurt yourself, or fool yourself into thinking your a great MAist. oh well i practice for me so take this as you see fit.