[Bloodybirds]

BP is right....whoops, ignore those last comments Peejay..forgot this was a wing chun forum..jeez! I should have said, chi sao is an invaluable part of this art so really practice the sensitivity and reaction drills your teacher is showing you. Also, if your teacher is good at it or to take a complementary thing, also find someone really good at push hands...I would assume the sensitivity is complementary as well.

Thanks BP.....what I suggested would only make your arms insensitive to pain....LOL!

[Gazelle]

The image of me doing that to a tree on campus is somewhat entertaining...or more precisely the reactions it mighy invoke

[Bloodybirds]

It might kill your dating prospects....but the rugby players on campus might find it sexy.....

[Gazelle]

Hmmm...i sort of promised someone i'd look out for a geologist, got any tips for pulling them?lol.

No, i'm in no hurry. I rather like being solo. Still rather like to here your answer

[Bloodybirds]

Take a geologist to a rock and roll joint or pub in London.....tell him you really dig him......tell him you want to go climbing......comment on his stalagnites....you get the pic!! :P

[peajay]

Originally Posted by Gazelle

Hmmm...i sort of promised someone i'd look out for a geologist, got any tips for pulling them?lol.

No, i'm in no hurry. I rather like being solo. Still rather like to here your answer

Looking like a tender bit of metamorphic limestone? Or is that just for Sgt Detritus???
Thanks all for the help (tho... don't take it personally Bb... I may give the beating up local trees a miss )...
Sensitivity is, as you say, the absolute key. Reading if there is energy left in the block/punch, then being able to role with it (darn now I've got that tune in my head )...
Not advance enough for Chi Sao - I'd get beaten every time!!!
but practicing...

[Gazelle]

Chi Sao?

lol. Can you imagine it? The guy would have to have a rather weird sense of humour to find it amusing himself, but, my, would it be amusing to do to begin with!

[BLACK PANTA]

Originally Posted by Bloodybirds

BP is right....whoops, ignore those last comments Peejay..forgot this was a wing chun forum..jeez! I should have said, chi sao is an invaluable part of this art so really practice the sensitivity and reaction drills your teacher is showing you. Also, if your teacher is good at it or to take a complementary thing, also find someone really good at push hands...I would assume the sensitivity is complementary as well.

Thanks BP.....what I suggested would only make your arms insensitive to pain....LOL!

Although onlookers may find it similar, the concept of push hands and chi sao are different.
I worked on a little push hands with a Tai Chi pract. and I had a lot of trouble with him, however when we switched up to Chi Sao, he had problems with it. My best advice is to focus on what you do right now, and dont worry about anything else. Get good at what you want to get good at. IMO Chi Sao is fantastic on it's own, the concept can be used not only with your arms but your whole body. Getting good at chi sao can and will take a lot of years. You dont really want to confuse yourself by learning Push Hands at the same time IMNSHO.

[Bloodybirds]

BP, have done push hands, along with my tai chi and kung fu for about 9 of my many years now, but only seen chi sao, can you or someone maybe describe some of the differences you noted. That would be interesting, since both depend upon great sensitivity and detection.

[BLACK PANTA]

it's hard for me to explain Chi Sao, to put it in KF terms it's like finding the snake. In the exercise your whole arm is involved (as well as your core ofcourse). It's for trapping, closing, opening. I believe Zeff would better explain it. I'm not very good at Chi Sao to begin with. What came to me just now is that Chi Sao is VERY circular, and you dont want to lose contact with your partner's arm.