[Gong||Jau]

I'm not Scott, but I'll see what I can do

Originally Posted by BLACK PANTA

Oh yeah scott speaking of side of hands, Do you all use/train in knife hands a lot. Or is it just a nice to know kinda thing? I know the general philosophy behind WC (very general at that, nothing extensive at all).

The way I've learned it we strike with just about all parts of the hand/arm. If by knife hand you mean simply striking with the side of the hand, then there are plenty of times when you'll see someone strike (especially to the chest or throat) with the entire side of the forearm/hand and use a fook sao movement to put extra power into it. This movement can be done at extremely close range and has great stopping power. If you mean in the sense of a "karate chop", I've never seen one done, but at the highest levels Wing Chun is more of a way of fighting than a collection of any particular techniques, so it's entirely possible that someone using Wing Chun might use such a strike.

TKDman: Wing Chun is extremely versatile. In my opinion it mixes extremely well with most arts, partly because it specializes in a range that most arts neglect, and partly because it's very broad in its applications. The biggest conflict I see would be between the TKD stance and Wing Chun structure, but plenty of people use Muay Thai at kicking range and Wing Chun at close range, so I don't see why it couldn't work; on the contrary I think it would do a lot to cover some of TKD's biggest weaknesses.

[bamboo]

bamboo wrote:
I have seen the "reverse palm strike" used when watching chi sau, can you explain better the principle behind it as it seems like a difficult strike to use.

Evilscott wrote:
Reverse palm strike? Like backhanding someone? Or attacking with the palm facing sideways?

Had to look it up, but it seems to be in Sui Lim Tao, the palm is facing up, the hand looks very relaxed, the other fist is chambered. Remember, I could be very well be wrong as to what I saw.

-bamboo

[EvilScott]

Originally Posted by bamboo

Had to look it up, but it seems to be in Sui Lim Tao, the palm is facing up, the hand looks very relaxed, the other fist is chambered. Remember, I could be very well be wrong as to what I saw.

Ah! Now I know what you're talking about. The closest we get is the lowest leaf of the plum flower. The plum flower has 5 petals which each can be a palm strike: one straight up, two diagonally (either side) up, and two diagonal (either side) down. The underhand palm strike changes to different strikes in different SLTs, but even those who use is don't use the strike much.

[Gong||Jau]

Now I'm confused; I thought he was describing a Tan Sao

[EvilScott]

Originally Posted by BLACK PANTA

Oh yeah scott speaking of side of hands, Do you all use/train in knife hands a lot. Or is it just a nice to know kinda thing? I know the general philosophy behind WC (very general at that, nothing extensive at all).

Knife hands typically come in at an angle, which we don't do much of in WC (linear striking is an important principle). Just because WC doesn't have it in its curriculum doesn't mean people who train WC can't integrate it though. A "pure" WC practioner, however, will probably avoid knife hands.

Originally Posted by BLACK PANTA

And could you tell us a little about Dim Mak aswell?

Sigong Crescione taught us all quite a bit about the infamous Dim Mak. He pushed all the mystical stuff aside and taught us in medical and muscular-skeleton terms.

Basically Dim Mak is pressure point striking. Pressure points are traditionally "on/off ramps" onto "chi highways" that travel around your body called meridians. What pressure points ACTUALLY are, are vunerable points in the human anatomy. Places where nerves are close to the surface, etc.

Dim Mak points can be on top of eachother - there are MANY points but most aren't a big deal. If you hit just one point it hurts a bit, two points and it hurts a LOT, three points and it hurts a LOT. Four or more and you can cause unconciousness and eventual death by shock. Some points (ones that are commonly pointed out as pressure points) have 3 different meridian intersections on one spot - these are the most effective.

Sigong Crescione has put a lifetime of work into understanding and analyzing Dim Mak, and I encourage you to read his essays on it - I could never explain this enough to do justice to Dim Mak or Sigong's work.

http://www.drjohnsot.com/kungfu.html Here is his site.

[EvilScott]

Originally Posted by BLACK PANTA

Oh yeah scott speaking of side of hands, Do you all use/train in knife hands a lot. Or is it just a nice to know kinda thing? I know the general philosophy behind WC (very general at that, nothing extensive at all).

Knife hands typically come in at an angle, which we don't do much of in WC (linear striking is an important principle). Just because WC doesn't have it in its curriculum doesn't mean people who train WC can't integrate it though. A "pure" WC practioner, however, will probably avoid knife hands.

Originally Posted by BLACK PANTA

And could you tell us a little about Dim Mak aswell?

Sigong Crescione taught us all quite a bit about the infamous Dim Mak. He pushed all the mystical stuff aside and taught us in medical and muscular-skeleton terms.

Basically Dim Mak is pressure point striking. Pressure points are traditionally "on/off ramps" onto "chi highways" that travel around your body called meridians. What pressure points ACTUALLY are, are vunerable points in the human anatomy. Places where nerves are close to the surface, etc.

Dim Mak points can be on top of eachother - there are MANY points but most aren't a big deal. If you hit just one point it hurts a bit, two points and it hurts a LOT, three points and it hurts a LOT. Four or more and you can cause unconciousness and eventual death by shock. Some points (ones that are commonly pointed out as pressure points) have 3 different meridian intersections on one spot - these are the most effective.

Sigong Crescione has put a lifetime of work into understanding and analyzing Dim Mak, and I encourage you to read his essays on it - I could never explain this enough to do justice to Dim Mak or Sigong's work.

http://www.drjohnsot.com/kungfu.html Here is his site.

[bamboo]

Is Chin Na part of the wing chun curriculum?

-bamboo

[EvilScott]

Originally Posted by bamboo

Is Chin Na part of the wing chun curriculum?

Nope, but we have a Sifu who is fairly well versed in it. You might think it would fit right in with WC but WCers aren't very grabby - it restricts our movement.

[dscott]

I have to say, EvilScott, you sound very knowledgable on this subject. How long have you been studying WC?

[BLACK PANTA]

Oh okay there is basic pressure point training going on for me right now. I will be getting into the more advanced stuff in the future. God Willing. Thanks for the site man I will put it in my favourites and check it out. Seeing that WC is a Shaolin style, I doubt I will find any differences between our arts, however your philosophy in the art is still very interesting. For instance the no block but deflect/re direct philosophy. I must say I love doing the Chi Sau drills with my Sifu and in my school. Really developes my sensitivity.