[bamboo]

Karate practitioners who go to a seminar or a couple of months of classes and bring back kung fu techniques to their schools really don?t understand what they?ve just learned. The same can be said for a kung fu practitioner learning shortly from a karate school. See what I mean?

Have you tested this opinion of yours?

What makes these arts so profound that a seasoned martial artist cannot be taught a technique, then go and practice it and make it his/her own?

I learned a thai round kick (some may say the strongest kick around) in about 6 dilligent months of training and still practice it almost everyday.
I picked up seoinage my first time being shown and use it frequently. I practice with a winchun man (sunnzi), ask him if i can chainpunch after a few weeks of practice.

The problem with your analogy is that you underestimate people's capacity to learn. Guess where underestimating someone gets you?

-bamboo

[wingchunnz255]

Originally Posted by bamboo

Have you tested this opinion of yours?

What makes these arts so profound that a seasoned martial artist cannot be taught a technique, then go and practice it and make it his/her own?

I learned a thai round kick (some may say the strongest kick around) in about 6 dilligent months of training and still practice it almost everyday.
I picked up seoinage my first time being shown and use it frequently. I practice with a winchun man (sunnzi), ask him if i can chainpunch after a few weeks of practice.

The problem with your analogy is that you underestimate people's capacity to learn. Guess where underestimating someone gets you?

-bamboo

I think maybe what he said comes off as underestimating a person but i think its just his opnion of what he thinks of it.

Yeah Thai kicks are pretty strong but any kick and any punch can be strong if u work on it.

I think when u start of with a marial art its a concept to your own fighting style and a base for working on your own skills and ablities.

[bamboo]

I think maybe what he said comes off as underestimating a person but i think its just his opnion of what he thinks of it.

I understand that, I am challenging his opinion. We all have opinions and often they are based on nothing yet we defend them or spout them and claim they need not be defended because they are simply opinion.

On this site we are discussing the martial arts, some opinions weigh heavier than others because of actual experience.

I can say an F-16 is harder to fly than a cessna, but i'm talking out of my ass because I've never done it. Just because its an "opinion" does not safeguard it from being challenged. Any and everything I write here is open to discussion and challenge.

-bamboo

[wingchunnz255]

Originally Posted by bamboo

I understand that, I am challenging his opinion. We all have opinions and often they are based on nothing yet we defend them or spout them and claim they need not be defended because they are simply opinion.

On this site we are discussing the martial arts, some opinions weigh heavier than others because of actual experience.

I can say an F-16 is harder to fly than a cessna, but i'm talking out of my ass because I've never done it. Just because its an "opinion" does not safeguard it from being challenged. Any and everything I write here is open to discussion and challenge.

-bamboo

Yeah true that but even so generally the people that made the opnions about a art is because they talk 2 other marial artist that acutally have acutal experince in that and they agree of what they said but yeah generally if everyone says that some martial arts steal of others then it probably happens just some people arent willing to admit it and notice that thats a problem but yeah blah lol.

I can honestly say with experince ive learnt more in wing chun than i have with karate yet everyone martial art has a good point and in saying that if you look for the bad your'll find the bad look for the good your'll find the good but thats what i think of.

i just hate it when your learning a martial art the teacher is good at what he teachers yet he doesnt preach what he teaches in terms of how you act towards other people not the physcially side.

And it suck thats some teachers will say people have screwed me in the past all this all that giving the students their burdens when all the student wants to learn.

Example teacher says You should treat people how they want to be treated.Obviosuily you think isnt that wrong isnt it you should treat others how you want 2 be treated? yeah in saying that what it means not everyones the same and everyone has their needs i may give u coke and ur like i dont want dis i want sprite.

Then he says ive learnt that people how have screwed me in the past ive learnt 2 treat others like shit and i seem 2 get a better response?

yeah you probably would have but it shows that to me personally i dont like 2 be treated like shit which shows his qutoe is totally full of shit either way he trys 2 show his reason what he says just thinks what a ass.

But yeah anyways lol teachers dont give your students stupid burdens of your own if your business is going down or you having money problems either ruck up the price or teaching is not for you cause we cant give u extra money just for nothing and dont bring ur persona issues to class for me the only problem is money and ive had a hard life and teachers should be understanding to that not to the point they teaching for free.just annoying when uve paid for something they treat u like shit.

[zefff]

man I remember when I used to type like that.

[bamboo]

Wingchunnerguy- Slow down, use periods and one thought per paragraph please.

That was extremely difficult to follow.

-bamboo

[nbotary]

Originally Posted by zefff

man I remember when I used to type like that.

Me too!!! I think I was four...

[...formless...]

Originally Posted by wingchunnz255

Hey sup peoples yeah Wing chun is pretty cool art espcially if you have a good teacher.

I'm part of the Ip ching lineage and thoughly enjoying it ive been doing it for 6months and have learnt a great deal from my teacher.

And i find that Wing chun is enjoyable and doesnt really get my ass kicked like other maritial arts ive tried like karate.

I like how wing chun is a complete system and yeah pretty cool.and dislike how other martial arts steal and copy concepts from wing chun kung fu because their system isnt complete becausd they aint teaching karate or whatever they teaching wing chun kung fu.

my favoruite moves at the moment is wao sau and lap sau and learning how 2 breathe correctly really helps your wing chun from my personl experince and opnion.

There is so much wrong with this post that I just puked all over myself multiple times. No joke. I even dry-heaved a couple times and spat up some bile.

First of all, Wing Chun isn't any more "complete" than any martial art focusing primarily on stand-up tactics. Second, Wing Chun "techniques" and principles have either existed prior to the conception of Wing Chun in other arts or sprouted up on their own without any Wing Chun derived influences. As for stealing techniques, Wing Chun more or less represents a synergy of pre-existing principles found in arts like Xingyi, Ba Gua and White Crane to name a few. So one might argue that Wing Chun has stolen techniques but as any real MA practicioner knows by now: its not about specific technical application as this can vary a great deal depending on the situation. ITS ALL ABOUT PRINCIPLES and as it turns out, many Wing Chun principles and ideas can be found in other arts that existed prior to Wing Chun. So you see, all MAs interact with and feed off each other to create the various forms of MA that exist in a way not unlike music. The music of the past influences music of the future in the same that the MAs of the past influence those of the future.

As for Ip Ching lineage Wing Chun, lets put it this way: If I had the choice of practicing Ip Ching WC or smashing myself in the face with a tack hammer, I would smash my face all day. Trust me, I started at an Ip Ching school and like most Ip Man schools it blew beyond words. No conditioning, no sparring, and nobody with any skill. Plenty of political BS and lots of mumbling worthless platitudes.

At least they played some stereotypical Chinese music in the background while every student began the class with Siu Lim Tao. That sure was awesome!

[zefff]

Hahaha! Formless, you trying to kickstart the wing chun wars again?

Yeah it is obvious that Mr 255 doesnt know much but thats not his fault. Anyway Ip Ching is Ip Man Wing Chun isnt it?

Ive said it before but Ive always thought Wing Chun seems to attract people who dont really like fighting at all.

[dscott]

Originally Posted by zefff

Ive said it before but Ive always thought Wing Chun seems to attract people who dont really like fighting at all.

Why's that Zefff? I find that interesting because WC is my base art and I'm not a "fighter". I'm 29 and I've never really been in a fight before. I always try to avoid fights but I train so that I can protect myself & my family if it comes down to it.