[MrApollinax]

Originally Posted by 8LimbsScientist

Myth #3

Everything you saw on the movie "Kickboxer" with Van Damme.

P.S. except for the fact that muay Thai kicks ass.

Holy crap that was funny! wait a minute... what about kickboxer 2-4? Are you telling me that is all crap too? Say it aint so!

[Fa Jing]

Kickboxer is crap but Jet Li's The One is completely true.

[a_o_d_13@hotmail.com]

rolling bottles or stuff works and supplements a person who does kick heavy bags with his shins, conditions them. uses them,. but just rolling is bad, indeed, more if done lot.

everyone.. check out the website. ww.butthan.dryuree.com within a few days. it will have video clip of a master break three hockey sticks with his shin bone, and later baseball bat.

Good Luck all trainers.

[opariser1001]

breaking a baseball bat with shins is a common breaking technique...old news....

[Dirty_Irishman]

The problem with the bottles and pretty much anything else you can roll across them is they can cause shin splints. Another conditioning drill is to kick shins with someone else but to do it with controlled force.

And I have read in articles and a couple of books that the broken glass on the hands was true, but was reserved only for very special matches that was still along time ago.

[graham1]

Originally Posted by 8LimbsScientist

Myth #3

Everything you saw on the movie "Kickboxer" with Van Damme.

P.S. except for the fact that muay Thai kicks ass.

There's that poor donkey getting it again.

Sirc. Tie it up out of harms way, will ya?.

[MorningLemon]

When it comes to shin conditioning there are a couple of things I would like to say. First off: The whole reason your shin becomes tougher and more resiliant is because you ARE damaging it. When you kick with the shin you get many tiny microfractures in the bone, and when they heal the create a type of scar tissue made mostly from calcium which actually strengthens and hardens the bone.

Secondly: As for the pain, Thai boxers, while conditioning are actually destroying and killing off the nerve endings in the shins. This happens naturally when you are beating it against a bag or rolling something against it.

Third: Tapping the shins or rolling somthing on them really does help, as long as you don't go over board. The extra strain and trauma on the shins will damage the nerve endings and create more micro-fractures in the bone which will become harder as it heals.

We have two main heavy bags in out gym, both 6'. The first is red and rather soft, at first this was even hard for me to kick but I got used to it just by kicking it. The other is black and filled with something much more dense, either sawdust or some synthetic material, as the bag is just short of being rock like. I tried just conditioning my shins with repeated kicking but after a couple months it still didn't help so I asked my trainer and he told me he used pieces of hard wood and tapped and rolled them on his shins when he first started. After I tried that for about a month I was able to kick the harder angrier bag.

Hope this helps someone.

[Bloodybirds]

Both are just that, myths! In the modern age, almost no one trains like the old days to condition one's body. What is not mentioned in either Thai boxing shin training or Shaolin body training is the necessary herbs used in Asia to counteract the daily punishments. These herbs have been developed, over time, to mitigate the damaging aspects of the conditioning by dispelling the blood and allowing the muscles to recover quickly. When I trained in Hong Kong, I saw and participated in this type of training (also know as iron shirt training in Shaolin) for Thai boxers and saw some in Thailand. In all cases, the master applied herbs both before and after the training and the fighting to expedite the recovery period.

Over in the States, the effectiveness of these applications are generally minimized and most "masters" do not teach them to their students. Remember, to be a Thai master, Shaolin master, or master of any style, one must know how to heal as well as kill.

Thai boxers, with the proper medical remedies, like other styles, can fight a lifetime.

[Savier]

Originally Posted by MorningLemon

Third: Tapping the shins or rolling something on them really does help, as long as you don't go over board. The extra strain and trauma on the shins will damage the nerve endings and create more micro-fractures in the bone which will become harder as it heals

what i've been told is that the tapping or rolling method only deals with the nerves so the beneficial aspects of bag hitting [denser bones] wouldn't come with it. then in a fight, if one where to go shin to shin with someone your shin bone my get broken.