[zefff]

I hear you. Maybe you are right, I dont know, but what you described of baking is what I would call the basics of baking. The basics of soldiering is in the drilling and maybe even killing itself is basic skill for a warrior. Who is to say that the experiences of combat are greater than those of baking? That is what I am saying.

Killing and being killed may change a man more than baking, I dont know, but I guess this is maybe straying off topic.

[Gazelle]

It depends where you're going with it.

A baker has some pretty traumatic experiences, i know...there's a huge risk of burning oneself, there's all the stress involved with getting the timings right, and remembering not to leave things in too long, and, of course, can't be forgetting to heat the oven properly, but, i think in everyday life, for the majority of people the effect that those things have on the psyche is perhaps quite different, and, depending on how stressed you are, and how badly you get burnt, quite a great deal more severe than one would experience in battle. I believe that's what Tease was pointing at, if this acts in anyway at all to clarify things.

[zefff]

"A baker has some pretty traumatic experiences, i know"

LMAO! Ahh thats the funniest thing on the internet this week! Thanks Gazelle!

TBH I still believe that only the baker knows himself and same for the soldier.

What is the point of the martial way? What are the benefits of following it?

[Gazelle]

lol. Happy to oblige

Of course a baker can know himself! I'm not denying that, and, nor is Tease, i think, but, i think the point is that 'a way' is not neccesarily a path to 'know oneself' as explained in some other post, unless your interpretation is that a 'way' is just the above, which, i know it cannot be, because your of the impression that there is simply one 'way'', and you implied that it was...well, that only actually works if you believe people conciously think about it, which i also not to be true, as otherwise you wouldn't think everyone to be on one 'way...as far as i can ascertain, Zeff, you are interpreting 'the way' to be life, basically, the path we take in it. And in that case, you have no need to draw a distinction between the two (this, baker and soldier stuff is completely out of the realms of my interpretation, you'll note, it is just a valid point that in general (oh, boy, generalising again...), soldiers who have seem combat will find it has more of an impact on them then a baker who has baked the worst wedding cake, and has less than a day to fix it.

[Triple T]

Originally Posted by zefff

What is the point of the martial way? What are the benefits of following it?

I hate to sound so French, but there is no point and no benefit because regardless of how self-aware or self-mastered we become through any "way" we all wind up as fertilizer.

I know I don't give a shit if I'm the most disciplined fertilizer in the cemetary.

[bamboo]

If you give a shit, your not following the way anyway.

[Gazelle]

Originally Posted by Triple T

I hate to sound so French, but there is no point and no benefit because regardless of how self-aware or self-mastered we become through any "way" we all wind up as fertilizer.

I know I don't give a shit if I'm the most disciplined fertilizer in the cemetary.

That really isn't your philosopher's head, is it, tease. You could use that arguement to say there is no point or no benefit for a lot of things in philosophy, in fact, pretty much all of it, probably. And, in fact you could even argue, because we all end up as fertiliser anyway, what does it matter how we end up there.

And realistically, doesn't, but, for individuals it does, just as for some individuals thinking about this stuff does matter.

[bamboo]

Philosophy doesn't have to be complicated, thats people that do that.

[Gazelle]

I never said it had to be...

[zefff]

Thanks for answering my questions!

I dont know shizzle about philosophies but I know that a philosophy has to be simple at its core for it to affect the world. Ideas affect the world and this is how we can achieve immortality (here on this planet) IMHO.

Maybe the 'martial way' is a method to help preserve your idea?

peace