[zefff]

Lifted from another forum:

A CAMPAIGN FOR REAL (RAW) MILK!

"Pasteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content, denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamins C, B12 and B6, kills beneficial bacteria, promotes pathogens and is associated with allergies, increased tooth decay, colic in infants, growth problems in children, osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease and cancer. Calves fed pasteurized milk do poorly and many die before maturity. Raw milk sours naturally but pasteurized milk turns putrid; processors must remove slime and pus from pasteurized milk by a process of centrifugal clarification. Inspection of dairy herds for disease is not required for pasteurized milk. Pasteurization was instituted in the 1920s to combat TB, infant diarrhea, undulant fever and other diseases caused by poor animal nutrition and dirty production methods. But times have changed and modern stainless steel tanks, milking machines, refrigerated trucks and inspection methods make pasteurization absolutely unnecessary for public protection. And pasteurization does not always kill the bacteria for Johne’s disease suspected of causing Crohn's disease in humans with which most confinement cows are infected. Much commercial milk is now ultra-pasteurized to get rid of heat-resistant bacteria and give it a longer shelf life. Ultra-pasteurization is a violent process that takes milk from a chilled temperature to above the boiling point in less than two seconds. Clean raw milk from certified healthy cows is available commercially in several states and may be bought directly from the farm in many more."

[Gazelle]

I was told that dairy cows have been breed to produce milk constantly? If not, i'm so completely giving it up. I don't like having much anyway, it makes my throat funny, i often put on a little weight in periods where i consume more (though, i'm not sure if it's just me eating more then ), and i normally don't feel great when i've eaten a fair amount. I have rice milk, and only have some cheese now and again (more than i would normally like, thanks to my bf) (i love halloumi, by the way), as well as a little yoghurt on occassion, because i've always loved them...but they always make my throat bad, so i don't eat them much at all. I probably would eat a very negligable amount if it weren't for my bf, and my diet would be healthier, but then his would be ten times worse.lol.

I'll also mention something else, when i was in Cyprus, for years i didn't have that much dairy, as cheeses were non-veggie, and there weren't many yoghurts, and they made my throat funny. I only had milk on my cereal. I come back to uni, and then not too long after i started eating more dairy, i started getting really really bad period pains. Admittedly, i do think they are at least partially related to something else.

Would people quite advertising soy! It is not good for you. The phytic acid content can be good for you in reasonable amounts, but sot milk has a relatively high amount, it binds minerals in your stomach making your body unable to absorb them, moreover, if i remember correctly it (or at least something else in soy) increases changes of kidney stones. And, if this is not enough, it has high amounts of phytoestrogens, which acts like ostregen, just two glasses of it a day is the equivalent, for a child of consuming 5 capsules of 'the pill', and has been shown to cause defects. It also weakens the immune system and iencourages food sensitivities and digestive intolerances. Do not eat unfermented soy (which includes all those ridiculuos, replacable additives you see in food all the time...the only reason they started using it was because there was excess soy protein etc from the production of soy oil, and so was cheap). Fermented is ok, as it gets rid of the nasty bits, infact it has been shown to aid your friendly bacteria, and increase their number (not to an unfriendly amount, i believe).

Allow me to post this, nabbed from another article...

* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.

* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast OpenDNS in adult women.

* Soy phytoestrogens are potent anti-thyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.

* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.

* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.

* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys

So, what about asians who eat it? Well, they consume actually relatively little to people consuming something like soy milk daily, only 10-90 grams, apparently, compared to milk, 240g. Moreover, they eat the entire soy product, not some processed part of it, which makes it somewhat safer. I believe they also tend to eat it fermented.
Bottom line, avoid unfermented soy like the plague.

I know what has been said about milk is true, as far as intolerances are concerned...did you know there are three different kinds of adverse reaction to products? You can be intolerant, allergic, and insensitive.

[BLACK PANTA]

Soy and soy products have been consumed by the oriental people for hundreds of years. These are the same people that our modern and alternative medicines come from. These are also the people who are considered to be the most healthy (as a people). Just some food for thought. Or it's me just blowing it out me arse

[Gazelle]

I know, but i said that the average amount they consume is much less, and is not as refined or processed, which means the nasty bits aren't as potent, moreover, they, i believe, eat more of the fermented stuff...

FACT: Unfermented soya does contain high amounts of phytic acid, which acts how it has been explained.

FACT: Unfermented soya does contain phytoestrogens, which act as oestrogen (which apparently i can no longer spell).

FACT: Via studies, infants drinking soya milk (and i believe consuming unfermented soya generally), have gained health problems, unlike those that don't.

FACT: (And, this would just be by chemical analysis. In non-processed soya there might well be some other thing in it that helps protect the body from this, but, i'm afraid what i have read does not say anything related to this, which means either people have overlooked it, they don't know, or it simply doesn't exist) Infants drinking 2 glasses of soya milk a day consume the equivalent of 5 contraceptive pills.

FACT: Men and Women consuming unfermented soya (which here, is practially always processed, due to the demand for the oil from soya, something that I imagine does not exist in the Orient, of course that is unfounded, so feel free to go and look) gain health problems that are associated with taking excess oestregon, including unfertility.

FACT: The list i have posted above from an article has been shown to occur in studies, which, i admit may or may not be unbiased, though, in this case i see no reason why they should be biased.

If you show me some hard, contradicting evidence, then fine, i'm just stating what i've read on science/nutrition based sites.