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I've got some ideas for a question of the week. How about we pose questions that are on our minds, and use the forum members who may know more then us to help us find the answers?

So, one of my questions is What are the benefits or disadvantages of milk?

I know it's a good source of protein and calcium and recommended for strength programs. It's also a good way to get the farts going, but what are some other benefits or concerns when it comes to milk?
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Well you've got to think about milk this way. The milk we drink mainly comes from cows. The milk we get from cows are designed to fatten a calf in as little as 6 months. Given, the majority of us no longer drink milk straight from the teeet, instead the milk we drink goes through major pasteurization. I read a stat that almost 1/2 the people in the world is lactose intolerant to some extent. The figure may be higher. We are the only animal who continue to drink out of infancy and this part is bizzare. We're the only animals that drink the milk of another species. Read this article below. It's really an eye opener.

By the way I've always hated milk
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Nature’s most perfect

Cow’s Milk

food ... for calves

“I no longer
recommend
dairy products
after the age
of two years...
Of course,
there was a
time when
cow’s milk was considered
very desirable. But research,
along with clinical experience, has forced doctors and
nutritionists to rethink this
recommendation.”


– Dr. Spock’s Baby and Child
Care, 1998 edition. P 331. Spock
cites dairy's high fat content and
lack of iron, complex
carbohydrates and fibre.

“There is no human
requirement for
milk from a cow.”

– Suzanne Havala, R.D.
“The African Bantu woman
provides an excellent example
of good health. Her diet is free
of milk and still provides 250–
400 mg of calcium from plant
sources, which is half the
amount consumed by Western
women. Bantu women commonly have 10 babies during
their life and breast feed each
of them for about ten months.
But even with this huge
calcium drain and relatively
low calcium intake, osteoporosis is relatively unknown
among these women.”

– John McDougall, M.D.
Trends

Canada has one of the highest
rates of dairy consumption in the
world (with sales of $11 billion in
2003), but maybe not for long.
Between 1980 and 2003, annual
milk consumption slipped from 103
to 85.3 litres per person. While
consumption of butter has fallen to

3.16 kilograms a year from a high of
eight, 40 years ago.
Source: Canadian Dairy Information Centre - Centre canadien d'information laitière

Human beings are the only species (other than
house cats) to consume milk past childhood.
We are also the only species to consume the
milk of another species. Yet, at about the age of four,
most people around the world begin to lose the ability
to digest lactose, the carbohydrate found in milk. This
results in a condition known as lactose intolerance
that causes unpleasant abdominal symptoms, including
stomach cramps, flatulence and diarrhea.

Lactose intolerance is a reality for 75% of the world
population. In Canada, while many adult Caucasians
have the ability to digest lactose, a large number of
First Nations People, Asians, Africans and people of
Jewish ancestry are lactose deficient.1

Even though consuming dairy is unnatural and
problematic for many people, Canada’s Food Guide
recommends 2–4 servings per day (a serving is 1 cup
of milk, 2 slices of cheese or 3/4 cup of yogurt).

Milk fat

Whole cow’s milk is a high-fat fluid, designed by nature to turn a 60–70 lb (27–30 kg) calf into a 300–600
lb (135–275 kg) cow in one year.

High-fat dairy products such as cheese, butter and
cream contain saturated fat. Saturated fat is the most
important dietary factor involved in raising blood cholesterol levels. The consumption of high-fat dairy
products has also been found to cause atherosclerosis, heart disease and stroke. Finland which has a death
rate from heart disease that is among the highest in
the world, also has one of the highest rates of dairy
product consumption.2

Low-fat milk and cheese products are still significantly high in total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol.
For example, 2% milk has become much more popular than homogenized milk, yet it still derives one third
of its total calories from fat. Skim milk mozzarella
with approximately 15% milk-fat is considered a low-
fat cheese, yet a 1-ounce slice contains 5 grams of fat,
totaling 56% calories from fat! So don’t be fooled by
the “skim milk” label.

The wide range of skimmed milk products available in grocery stores reflects health concerns over
high-fat dairy products. But for many people, low-fat
dairy products are still an unacceptable alternative.

Low-fat dairy products linked to
hightened allergic responses

The high protein content of low-fat dairy products is
actually more allergenic than dairy products with a
high-fat content.3 Dairy products are one of the leading
causes of food allergies and food sensitivities causing
allergic responses in people of all ages, especially
infants and young children. It is estimated that 1–7%
of infants are allergic to cow’s milk protein. Infants
who react to milk also have a greater likelihood of
developing allergies to other foods.4

Many studies have shown allergies to dairy
products to cause irritability, restlessness, hyperactivity, muscle pain, mental depression, abdominal pain,
cramps or bloating, gas, diarrhea, bad breath, headaches, lack of energy, constipation, poor appetite,

malabsorption of nutrients, nasal stuffiness, runny nose
sinusitis, asthma, shortness of breath, rashes, eczema,
and hives.5

Osteoporosis & the milk connection

North America has one of the highest consumptions
of dairy products, and also the highest incidence of
osteoporosis – a disease of brittle bones formed
through the loss of calcium. We are bombarded with
messages from the dairy bureau that we must consume
copious quantities of dairy products to ward off this
dreaded disease later in life. But that’s not the whole
story. Regardless of how much calcium you take in,
the amount your body can actually absorb and retain
matters more.

The high animal protein intake typical of North
American diets can make it difficult to retain calcium.
Digesting animal protein creates an acidic
environment in the body. To neutralize the acid, the
body may rob calcium from the bones. Years of this
pattern can contribute in osteoporosis later in life.6

A study published in 2001, found that “elderly
women with a high dietary ratio of animal to vegetable
protein intake have more rapid neck bone loss and a
greater risk of hip fracture than do those with a low
ratio. This suggests that an increase in vegetable
protein intake and a decrease in animal protein intake
may decrease bone loss...” Several studies have found
that “in comparison with animal protein, soy protein
decreases calcium excretion, a result of the lower
sulfur amino acid content of soy protein.”7

To prevent osteoporosis it is also important to get
enough Vitamin D, avoid smoking and limit coffee
and alcohol. Weight-bearing exercise such as running,
dancing and walking is especially helpful.

Women & dairy

According to gynecologist, Christiane Northrum,
“Stopping dairy food often improves menstrual
cramps, endometriosis pain, allergies, sinusitis and
even recurrent vaginitis.” Other problems associated
with dairy food may include: benign breast conditions, chronic vaginal discharge, acne, fibroids, and
chronic intestinal upset. “I can’t help but think that
there might be some correlation between over-
stimulation of the cow’s mammary glands and
subsequent overstimulation of our own, resulting in

Milk is not a natural!
benign
breast
conditions.”8

Human beings are the only species (other than house
cats) to drink the milk of another species, and the
only species to drink milk beyond infancy


Isn’t yogurt a health food?

Yogurt has been hailed as a ‘health food’ because of
its live bacterial enzyme cultures.

Whatever benefit humans may derive from yogurt
cultures, consumers should be aware that these live
bacterial enzymes are not available from frozen
yogurts. A research study analyzing samples from
leading frozen yogurt producers reports that the live
count of the desirable bacterial cultures in these products is virtually nil. Many commercial frozen yogurts
are high in fat, some as high in fat as ice cream. And
low-fat versions are usually high in sugar. An average
non-fat serving of frozen yogurt contains approximately seven teaspoons of sugar.

Even plain yogurt with no sugar added has the high
protein content and related problems mentioned above.

Iron deficiency in infants

According to Frank Oski, the late Chairman of
Pediatrics at Johns Hopkins Medical School,
“Drinking large quantities of cow’s milk has long been
recognized to produce iron-deficiency anemia in
infants... Cow’s milk contains less than 1 mg of iron
per quart. Very little of this iron is absorbed from the
intestinal tract because other constituents of the milk
bind with the iron... Many infants
are left with very little appetite for
tends to satisfy their hunger and they
drink 1-2 quarts of milk per day. This
the necessary iron-containing
foods.”9 Breast milk is the best
source of iron for infants.

Milk & ovarian cancer

Ovarian cancer is more common in Northern Europe
than in Asian populations and the consumption of milk
products may be the reason. Studies have found that
there is a higher risk of ovarian cancer in women who
consume lactose (sugar in milk). This was the
conclusion of a study published in 2004, that tracked
80,326 participants in the Nurses’ Health Study.10

Cow’s milk & diabetes in children

Several studies have linked cow’s milk to diabetes in
children. Something in milk (possibly bovine serum
albumin) may cause an immune reaction in diabetic
children leading to the destruction of the body’s
insulin-producing cells. Breast-fed infants who are
not fed cow’s milk seem to have a measure of
protection against diabetes. Avoiding cow’s milk may
delay or prevent diabetes in susceptible individuals.
A 2003 study of 4,701 ten to sixteen year-old
adolescents from 11 European countries found that
cow’s milk and animal product consumption were
associated with higher rates of type 1 diabetes when
Icelandic data was excluded.11
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Stress, antibiotics, mastitis & pus

Canadians who regard milk as “the perfect food” rarely
think about milk as a commercial product – prone to
the hazards of mass-production.

John Robbins, author of May All Be Fed, puts it
well; “The modern-day Bessie is now bred, fed, medicated, inseminated, and manipulated for a single
purpose – maximum milk production at a minimum
cost.”

In order to produce milk, a dairy cow must give
birth. To maximize their milk supply they are
artificially inseminated every year, meaning they are

pregnant for a physically demanding 9 months out of
every 12. Their calves are traumatically taken from
them shortly after birth. The resulting surplus of calves
feeds the veal industry.

With genetic manipulation and intensive
production technologies, Canadian cows produce an
average of 9,519 kg of milk per year (2003) — seven
times more than they would produce naturally. When
their milk production wanes after about four years,
dairy cows are sent to slaughter where their worn out
bodies are ground up into hamburger.

These unnatural conditions make the modern dairy
cow highly prone to stress and disease.

The most damaging stress-related disease is mastitis
(an inflammation of the udders). It reduces milk yield
and directly affects milk quality by altering
composition and increasing the somatic cell count
(pus). The National Mastitis Council estimates that
mastitis costs about $200 per cow per year on the
average dairy farm. In Quebec, mastitis is the second-
leading cause of culling.12

Antibiotics, mostly common penicillin, are given
to cows for treatment of mastitis. Cows are not
supposed to be milked for 48 hours after receiving
penicillin. When this precaution is not followed the
penicillin appears in the milk in small amounts.13

Non-dairy calcium sources

Foods rich in calcium include dark green vegetables
such as broccoli, bok choy and kale, beans, tofu (made
with calcium), tahini, sesame seeds, almonds, figs,
seaweeds, and fortified soy milks.

Since the consumption of animal protein increases
calcium requirements, a person following a vegan diet
may have much lower needs. Although some plant
foods contain oxalates and phytate that can inhibit
calcium absorption, the calcium in plant foods is
generally well absorbed.

Health benefits of soy milk

Soy milk is loaded with phytochemicals: particularly
isoflavones, genistein and daidzein. Studies have
found that these substances reduce the risk of cancer.14
Most soy milk today is fortified with calcium, B12
and other nutrients that make it as nutritious as its
cow’s milk counterpart, but without the hazards of
excessive protein, hormones or antibiotics.

Soy protein consumption has been shown to reduce the levels of cholesterol and lessen the incidences
of atherosclerosis.15 Soy has been effective in diabetes management by controlling blood sugar levels.16
There is evidence to suggest that soy isoflavones assist in the prevention of osteoporosis by reducing
calcium loss from bones.17

Variety is the key to a healthy diet, so don't overload
on any one food including soy. Enjoy it in moderation

– two to three servings per day.
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The milk I enjoy in making sauces, eating with my cookies or in my tea has never been straight from a cow, its always pasteurized and processed for human consumption.
At almost 35 years of age my body has suffered no adverse effects from drinking at least a glass of cows milk a day.

In relation to studies- How many say its good for you compared to the ones that say its bad? In the peer reviewed journals of the science world- quantity speaks volumes.

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“I no longer
recommend
dairy products
after the age
of two years...
Of course,
there was a
time when
cow’s milk was considered
very desirable. But research,
along with clinical experience, has forced doctors and
nutritionists to rethink this
recommendation.”


– Dr. Spock’s Baby and Child
Care, 1998 edition. P 331. Spock
cites dairy's high fat content and
lack of iron, complex
carbohydrates and fibre.
So its ok for a baby before the age of two (when they are at thier most delicate) but not after? Can someone please explain this to me?

How about we outlaw "coca-cola" and "mcdonalds" or cigarettes which have proven to have no health value what so ever but are in fact poisons?

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How about we outlaw "coca-cola" and "mcdonalds" or cigarettes which have proven to have no health value what so ever but are in fact poisons?
Good point.

Personally I'm a milk addict. I drink anywhere from 3-5 16oz glasses a day. We buy only "natural" milk. I drink it when I'm hungry for a snack, in my protein shakes, with dinner, in morning, etc. I really enjoy it. But wanted to hear what others thought of it.

The article is an interesting one. I don't like the fact of the cows being pregnant for that long, and then the veal market. I always tell my wife, if I could be a vegetarian I would be. I just know that it would never work for me. I feel man is supposed to eat meat, in moderation. We only purchase cage free, free roam meet and chicken when we shop. Stew Leonard's (sp?) I believe has the best selection of this and a true advocate of healthy animals and meat.
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I used to drink a lot of milk in my teens and early 20's (3 pints a day, with egg whites) but now I only have a splash in my tea and on my morning oats. I dont think its necessary either TBH but it is a convenient source of nutrients.

(This just reminded me of something but I'll start another thread).
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The milk I enjoy in making sauces, eating with my cookies or in my tea has never been straight from a cow, its always pasteurized and processed for human consumption.
At almost 35 years of age my body has suffered no adverse effects from drinking at least a glass of cows milk a day.

In relation to studies- How many say its good for you compared to the ones that say its bad? In the peer reviewed journals of the science world- quantity speaks volumes.


So its ok for a baby before the age of two (when they are at thier most delicate) but not after? Can someone please explain this to me?

How about we outlaw "coca-cola" and "mcdonalds" or cigarettes which have proven to have no health value what so ever but are in fact poisons?

-steven
quick question, have you read the entire article? I don't advocate making milk illegal. From what I remember I dont think the article advocates that either.
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Yes I have. Infact, some time ago. My question was not to you but rather a question that I would have asked the author if they had presented only the quote that I replied to.

Regarding the illegality, I was simply making reference to the fact that scientists and pop culture doctors such as dr. spock could better use thier collective voices to influence policy on the subject of known poisons and so called "foods" rather than telling us to be moderate with milk. Simply my opinion.
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I'm a fan of milk and see no problem with it but I only drink organic milk nowadays. Most of the stuff I eat, I try to get organic.
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