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04-13-2007, 02:50 PM
| CBS fires Don Imus... Alright, I'm sure I'm gonna catch hell for this rant...
Shock jock Don Imus made a comment about Rutgers women's basketball team being "nappy-headed ho's" shortly after their loss in the woman's NCAA Championship game. At first, he received a two week suspension. However, amid all the controversy it caused, CBS finally decided to just fire him.
Personally, I don't know the guy, I don't listen to the guy, and I don't give a shit that he said it or that he was fired over it. What pisses me off is the fact that American's play the race card and bitch, protest and sue over stupid shit they they themselves are guilty of every fucking day.
Someone please explain to me how it's okay for two black people to refer to each other using the "N" word, but it's not okay for a Hispanic, an Asian or someone else who isn't black to use it. Being Arabic, it pisses me off when people refer to my ethnicity as "Camel Jockey", "Dune Coon", "Rag Head" or "Towel Head". But, you don't see me calling for someone to be fired for saying it - whether it was directed at me or not. I don't use racist words or names out of respect. You don't use it to refer to me, I won't use it to refer to you. Period.
This is America. Freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment on our Bill of Rights. We have the right to say whatever the fuck we want - as long as the FCC and whatever political activist group doesn't get their panties in a wad over it.
Here comes the hypocrisy... As much as I don't like people calling me and/or referring to my race with racist or derogatory names, I have some very close friends who are not Arabic that call me "Camel Jockey" from time to time. They do it knowing that I'm okay with it because they are not using it in a derogatory manner and they are not bashing me or my ethnicity. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I'm okay with some fuckwad on the street calling my peep's "Rag Head" out of ignorance or in a derogatory context!!!
The bottom line is this: A white man made a comment that members of the black community didn't like. As a result, the white man is getting fired from his job. However, if a black man had made the same comment - or any comments about the white community - we never would've heard about it and he'd still be at his job as if nothing ever happened. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Why is this??? Do we not have anything better to do than get pissed off over something somebody said out of ignorance??? We need to grow the fuck up and realize that people say stupid shit out of ignorance. They always have and they always will. I just don't think it justifies someone losing their job becuase a group of people decided that it offended them when someone outside their race said it, but it wouldn't have if someone from their race had said it. That's a double standard and you're a fucking hypocrite if you think it's okay for one group, but not the other.
Rant over. Let the hate mail begin...
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04-13-2007, 05:14 PM
| My only comments.... My only comment about Imus's remarks is, when will Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton apologize for the remarks they made a year ago during the advent of the Duke investigation? I lived in NYC when Sharpton was a civil rights person just coming into his own....did he every apologize for the Tawana Brawley hoax for those that remember? On a news station the other night, Jackson was asked directly how Imus's remarks were any more repugnant than the Hymie town and other anti-Semitic remarks he made previously while never apologizing? Why is Chris Rock never castigated for blatant racist remarks against whites, Hispanics, and Asians?
Yes, I am Jewish, and yes two of my kids are half Asian/mixed from a previous marriage. Sooo....I have, like my brother NB, heard many things before. I was once banned from National Honor Society because one of the three teachers in high school who voted on that disqualified me because I was a "Christ Killer."
There is NO place for racism, ethnic hatred, etc. in our society.....but then there is human nature to fear or criticize was is not understood. One of the major points brought up was the misyongic and other images portrayed by hip hop/rap of women, especially women of color. The downgrading is within one's own culture. Where are the strong African American leaders, other than Bill Cosby, criticizing this aspect? The terms used by Imus are used frequently in videos and music all the time! Where is the outrage there? Where is the outrage that most fathers today in Hollywood are portrayed as unnecessary other than as sperm donors, they are always wife beaters, abusers, sexual offenders, etc?
Lastly, in my rant, why is it I can take my 10 year old boy to a movie and it is okay, from a society point of view ,for him to see 10 murders of women in a movie but if a man and woman are making love and tenderly care, that is considered verbotten territory for my child...I would much rather have my child see a man make love to a woman than kill her! Maybe that is just me!
Okay, I am done....sure both my brother NB and I will be hit....though it is a great irony that an Arab and a Jew are the first to make comments on this topic....LOL! See, world peace can happen...LOL! | | | | Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 34
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04-13-2007, 05:58 PM
| The first amendmant right to free speech has nothing to do with this. He has the freedom to say what he says, and his employer has the right to terminate his employment. The only reason this would be a case of free speech being attacked would be if the government punished him in some way. | | | | Senior Member Black Belt 3rd Dan Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 1,635
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04-13-2007, 07:44 PM
| I agree that it's not truly an attack on the First Amendment. That's why I included "...whatever political activist group". Someone said something, someone got their feelings hurt and a bullshit controversy insued.
On another note, I find it ironic that CBS only fired him AFTER his sponsors dropped him. His sponsors didn't drop him until AFTER all these activists started jumping on the "Fire Imus" bandwagon...
It's just come down to the fact that these groups constantly seem to be on a witch hunt over bullshit. Like Bloodybirds said - where's the apology from instigators like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton for the Duke incident??? A black woman said she was sexually assaulted by three white men. Jackson and Sharpton cried foul and stirred up shit before any evidence had been brought to light. When it finally came out that the girl was repeatedly changing her story, one defendant had proof of his whereabouts during the alleged assault, DNA evidence proved all three men were innocent of the crime, and the prosecution had nothing to go on, where were Sharpton and Jackson to say, "Ooops!!! We fucked up and condemned these three men without proof. We're sorry for doing that to them and their families."???
They were nowhere to be found and you will never see or hear them apologize for the things they said. Why??? Because they are chicken shit cowards whose sole purpose in life is to stir shit up for no fucking reason and claim it's for the benefit of bettering mankind. They want to benefit mankind??? They can start by removing themselves from the gene pool and/or keeping their noses out of places they don't belong.
I bet you $5 bucks they wouldn't do shit for me if I got offended by something someone said or did to me. But, $100 says they'd be all over my ass if it were the other way around...
I don't see these fuckwads standing up for me when a black rapper or radio dj makes a comment about us "Camel Jockeys" and constantly ties my race to terrorist groups like Al-Quieda just because I'm Middle Eastern. But, God forbid I get quoted in the news as calling a black woman a "nappy-headed ho" and they'll be the first in line to lead the way for my execution...
Like I said, I don't care about what was said or what happened afterward. He was ignorant, said something stupid, admitted he fucked up, apologized and still got fired after he apologized. I'm just so sick of people like Jackson and Sharpton and groups like them blowing something way out of proportion and making mountains out of molehills by stirring shit up and causing controversy for the sake of getting themselves back in the news...
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04-13-2007, 08:22 PM
| This will never affect me in any possible way.
Interesting to read the various opinions though.
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04-13-2007, 08:23 PM
| I think he was stupid for saying what he said. I don't think he said it with ill-feelings. Just poor sense of humor. I also think that America has turned into a bunch of crybaby's that complain about what everyone else says. I think we need to relax as a whole and worry about other things. Black people say stuff like that and it's funny. Old white people say stuff like that and it's racist. I don't get it.
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04-13-2007, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dscott I think he was stupid for saying what he said. I don't think he said it with ill-feelings. Just poor sense of humor. I also think that America has turned into a bunch of crybaby's that complain about what everyone else says. I think we need to relax as a whole and worry about other things. Black people say stuff like that and it's funny. Old white people say stuff like that and it's racist. I don't get it. | Exactly my point...  I'm more concerned about lawmakers raising my taxes while they give themselves a pay raise. I could care less about what some ignorant dumbfuck says on the radio or the t.v.
Bamboo - do you not have groups or issues like this in Canada??? If not, I truly admire you and your country for it.
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"Only one of us walks away!" - Slipknot
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04-13-2007, 08:54 PM
| Amen... Let's watch Chris Rock tonight on HBO and see how many calls come for his dismissal, or others of his ilk...I will state again, racism of any kind by anyone, whether black, white, Asian, Hispanic,Jew, Gentile, Arab, etc is inexcusable. But in this case, it was, once the Rutgers team sought and received the appropriate apology directly from Imus, all about money, publicity, and creating controversy! There are even some saying Obama is not black enough, or that Kobe Bryant (remember the rape charges) did what he allegedly did to obtain street cred, or the schism during the OJ trial.
We all know justice in this country is not equal, but I would assert that is a class/money issue, not a racial one at this point. I guarantee my middle class, white, Jewish ass would be in prison alot quicker that a rich WASPY!!! with Daddy's money and power! It goes to the current numbers that show an ever decreasing middle class and increasing concentration of wealth to fewer people... study history: whenever a great power loses the buffer between rich and poor, the country will collapse economically and politically in on itself.
A Don Imus, Howard Stern, etc. are inconsequential compared to the larger problems and issues...oh, to my kung fu bro's point, I have another Arab friend who is an MBA classmate and a Muslim. We get along fine, because our goals are similar: protect and nourish our families, become better people and more educated, and contribute something to society here.
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04-13-2007, 09:09 PM
| dscott-
We have really strong hate laws here and on air standards (CRTC) when it comes to social issues that involve discrimination.
The US seems to have a preoccpation with race like no other place I've seen, our issues here are more about french-english language issues, medical care and the federal budget.
Socialist democracy at work. Its not a perfect country by any means but then we also don't throw foreign nationals in jail for speeding. http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...e-ba919b136dbe | | | | Senior Member Orange Belt Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 215
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04-15-2007, 10:26 PM
| The issue with Imus is really a dumb issue to me. They hired him to be controversial. He had his sponsors and salary precisely because he ruffled people's feathers, which keeps people tuned in. So, when Imus does what he's paid to do, he gets fired. Decency and racism aside, I think that with a decent lawyer Imus could sue CBS or whatever his parent corporation was for wrongful termination. Besides, the Rutgers team were some ugly bitches; if I were to bother using the term "nappy-headed hoes" for anyone, it would've been the Rutgers womens basketball team.
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